Now is the winter of Britain’s discontent

Watch him smirk, and totally NOT answer the question. No wonder Andrew Marr ended up stopping him deflecting and going on stupid tangent - as per usual.

fb.watch/8pmdz3uIwj/

what an absolute idiot- and most os us can see right through him.

Actually, it is a very difficult situation now for hiw supporters. I think most of them know now that he is not up to the job, that he is a liar and totally clueless and irresponsible- but they just can't accept that they were fooled and taken for a ride. So they will become even more supportive for a while - in a desperate attempt not to be proven wrong. It must be very hard, I sympathise.

Alegrias1

Well, maybe. But I've spoken to a lot

And the second paragraph remains true.

Yes I have said the same repeatedly on this thread this morning.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 I assume you are referring to company accounts.

Paul Kelly the South East’s Turkey producer tried that on the news last week. He was claiming that before Brexit he employed 42 permanent staff, fortunately they had checked his previous accounts employees numbered 7…

Accounts submitted are only as good as the accountant who prepared them and his creative abilities

Better wages = better lives no ifs or buts…

But most of his workers came over from Europe just for the turkey "harvest" and then returned home. They wouldn't be included in the number of employees in the notes section of his accounts.

Then we are agreed.

The story about EU drivers being the reason for low wages in the haulage industry is completely made up and they are being used as scapegoats for a low wage industry.

We should say that more often. One more Brexit lie disproved.

Dinahmo they would have to be declared in his accounts and shown some where, or how does he account for their wages?

GrannyGravy13

Dinahmo they would have to be declared in his accounts and shown some where, or how does he account for their wages?

This is a genuine question as we have never had cause to employ casual staff.

Sorry if I am repeating something already said but I don't have time to read all 10 pages. Things are bad in the USA too, my friend says prices are soaring, there are food shortages and the price of gas (petrol) has shot up too. There are also numerous job vacancies that just can’t be filled despite generous sign on bonuses.

I have no confidence in Boris Johnson though, his performance on Andrew Marr this morning was embarrassing and shambolic even by his standards. I just hope the Labour party can get its act together very soon.

GrannyGravy13

GrannyGravy13

Dinahmo they would have to be declared in his accounts and shown some where, or how does he account for their wages?

This is a genuine question as we have never had cause to employ casual staff.

Wages for casual staff are usually shown separately in the profit and loss accounts
Mostly the casual staff I have encountered come from agencies so are paid on invoice ie not on the employers payroll

Copied from elsewhere- but it does make you think, no?

''I wonder how many brexiters voted leave, hoping that it'd cause EU migrants to be paid 20% more than the indigenous workforce?
Still, they need us more than we need them!'' - apparently.

GG13 Since you have been running a company for a long time, I think I can trust what you are saying rather than anyone who has just been doing a bit of googling.
Where did all these haulier experts come from on here all of a sudden?
We all know the HGV driver shortage is a problem for many countries including the US ( they haven’t had Brexit!)
Anyone who voted to leave the EU bloc wanted better conditions for anyone living and working in the UK with immigration ( from EU and non EU countries) to suit us where needed.

''to suit us where needed.''

for that to happen, is for those people to be prepared to work and live in unsecure conditions, bad conditions, no respect, and tons of hassle- very few will put up with that despite a high temporary salary- just to suit Brexiters who sent them packing.

lemongrove

GG13 Since you have been running a company for a long time, I think I can trust what you are saying rather than anyone who has just been doing a bit of googling.
Where did all these haulier experts come from on here all of a sudden?
We all know the HGV driver shortage is a problem for many countries including the US ( they haven’t had Brexit!)
Anyone who voted to leave the EU bloc wanted better conditions for anyone living and working in the UK with immigration ( from EU and non EU countries) to suit us where needed.

Believe me I don’t need to google.

Part of the problem for the US is the introduction at the end of 2017 of the Electronic Logging Device which is basically a simplified version of the EU's digital tachograph. The control of driver's hours in a country which traditionally looks at truckers as kings of the road, along with the strong influence of the haulage unions, made this introduction quite fraught and meant that many drivers left the industry.

However the entirely different road infrastructure of the US makes the use of autonomous vehicles much more suitable, so that will probably alleviate the situation there regarding the need for long distance truckers.

No googling required

I thought that you were a teacher whitewave and Alegrias surely you told us you were a ‘scientist’ ?

No harm in saying you use Mr Google for info, but when a poster with real knowledge comes along such as GG13 then you have to listen.

Here's the thing....

People can do many jobs in their lives. People who are scientists even move into industry.

Imagine!

Kali2

gree, I don't like turkey either.

There should be plenty of pork available, cheap ... gammon perhaps.

Firstly. A farmer spoke on radio 4 this morning saying pork had already been culled. Food going to waste because there wasn’t enough butchers.
Secondly. He added that the UK will buy from Europe at a more expensive price. Meaning, that EU food going to the UK making it more expensive for the innocent ordinary European in the street, because of Johnson.

Kali2

''to suit us where needed.''

for that to happen, is for those people to be prepared to work and live in unsecure conditions, bad conditions, no respect, and tons of hassle- very few will put up with that despite a high temporary salary- just to suit Brexiters who sent them packing.

Depends which country they come from, it’s a chance to earn more money here than they could make at home.

Alegrias1

Here's the thing....

People can do many jobs in their lives. People who are scientists even move into industry.

Imagine!

Sometimes on GN.....it’s hard to imagine, quite frankly ?but I can try.

Mokryna there is a shortage of CO2 used to stun animals in abattoirs, rather than a shortage of butchers, or so it has been reported.
If we want good meat products where animals are treated humanely and we want the workers to be paid decently then the general public will have to pay more and should do.

And in the meantime? How do you think those extra pigs are going to be treated and killed humanely, on the farm. Out of sight of each other, and in proper humane conditions?

You don't just decide this is going to happen from one week, one month, to the next. It has to be planned over years.

lemongrove

Mokryna there is a shortage of CO2 used to stun animals in abattoirs, rather than a shortage of butchers, or so it has been reported.
If we want good meat products where animals are treated humanely and we want the workers to be paid decently then the general public will have to pay more and should do.

Butcher shortage causes backlog of 120,000 pigs that 'should have been slaughtered and eaten by now'

news.sky.com/story/mass-pig-cull-threatened-by-butcher-shortage-warns-industry-body-12422886

lemongrove

I thought that you were a teacher whitewave and Alegrias surely you told us you were a ‘scientist’ ?

Whatever gave you that idea? But frankly does it matter?

Those poor farmers- I just can't imagine.

What method will they use? Will they be able to abide by the strict rules set, eg not in sight of each other, proper stunning, etc?

Farmers do NOT have the skills or expertise, or the conditions on the farm, to do this properly and humanely (not that it is anyhow, even in the 'proper' conditions and by experienced people). How will they recover mentally and emotionally from having to do this. It just does not bear thinking about!

Well the answer from our esteemed leader on Marr this morning Kali2 was that animals get killed for the food industry anyway.

He's a disgrace, honestly he is.