Feeling politically homeless (new thread)

I am amazed that no one has mentioned the area of politics which is lighting up Mumsnet like a Christmas tree: that of the transgender issue. Only the Conservatives are allowing that only those born with a cervix can be deemed to be women.

The issue is of the utmost importance to women - to our daughters and grand daughters. Recent high profile cases pushed by aggressive activists involve transmen invading the safe spaces held by women and attacking what they call our unjust privileges.

Convicted rapists have self identified as women, been allowed into women's jails and sexually assaulted their fellow female inmates.

Men, some of whom have not fully physically transitioned and who have an extra residue of testosterone anyway, are competing in women's sports and carrying away trophies that women trained for years to win.

'Women' with penises are winning the right to walk naked in sports and swimming changing rooms in front of teenage and younger girls.

Many on Mumsnet have vowed never to vote Labour, Green or LibDem again until their status in law as women in protected.

None of them are worth the waste of my shoe leather to go and vote!

I think the political parties that agree with self ID for trans people will find that many women simply won’t vote for them.

Or UKIP?

Just someone else saying: please, all opposition parties i.e. Labour, Lib Dems and Greens including the SNP, you MUST make electoral pacts so that, in the next general election, the candidate most likely to win and/or defeat the Tory is the ONLY opposition.
Otherwise the opposition votes are split and the Conservatives will be in power until the end of time.
Once the so-called progressive opposition is in power, it should bring in a form of proportional representation (personally I like the German version) and then it can call another election which will be run by PR.

Lily flower, thank you for your post, it saved me having to do it.
Re.David Lammy - last year he said babies were born without a sex. At the recent party conference, “I understand that a cervix is something you can have after various procedures, hormone treatments, all the rest of it”. He was only one of many who said similar things. Have none of them a clue about human biology? Sex is a fact, gender is a concept.
I’m in Scotland and the only party not pushing the TWAW/no need for safe spaces for women issues is the Tories. I’ve voted for various parties over the years depending on their manifestos, have only missed voting in a (local) election once due to having to work a double shift (have always had a proxy vote since). I feel it’s a duty to vote, but have no idea who I will vote for at the next election.

Romola

Just someone else saying: please, all opposition parties i.e. Labour, Lib Dems and Greens including the SNP, you MUST make electoral pacts so that, in the next general election, the candidate most likely to win and/or defeat the Tory is the ONLY opposition.
Otherwise the opposition votes are split and the Conservatives will be in power until the end of time.
Once the so-called progressive opposition is in power, it should bring in a form of proportional representation (personally I like the German version) and then it can call another election which will be run by PR.

I can't see that happening everywhere, Romola, especially as far as the SNP is concerned. They would never do that.

Labour has been wiped out in Scotland and until the Scots gain independence we will never have a Labour Government again in the UK even if the traditional Labour constituencies in RUK which voted Tory revert back to Labour.
We can put the blame squarely on the SNP for continued Tory government.

I feel more concerned that he referred to those women raising concerns about the loss of single sex spaces as dinosaurs hoarding rights and when those women (many of whom have spent their life working with women who have experienced Male violence) aired the view that he was a grade a misogynist he had the hypocrisy to post his concerns about Male violence against women in order to save face. As someone who is centre left I find it utterly depressing when men on the left show their misogyny although to be honest I should be used to it by now.

I used to think he was fairly sensible but he has just proved that he's a gullible idiot.

We can put the blame squarely on the SNP for continued Tory government.

Me, I put the blame squarely on the people who voted Tory for the Tory government.

Blaming a section of the population for not voting Labour when Labour don't have enough to offer them is a bit odd. If Labour were to compete effectively with the SNP people would vote for them.

Perhaps the current government should change their leader for someone who knows what they are doing. It would be a start, rather than carry on like this for three more years

I live in Scotland and, I hate to say it, you're lucky. The SNP is shambolic from£600k on a vaccine app that doesn't work, rescuing Fergusons ship yard and paying the CE/consultant over £2k a day to manage it, the new children's hospital that still isn't opened in Edinburgh and is costing eye watering sums of money is just so depressing. No matter what the SNP say they did not get the majority vote and people are sick to the back teeth of the continuing talk on independence. We wouldn't have survived the pandemic without being in the UK. Nicola Sturgeon is an idiot.

Galaxy, if I’d written everything that I’d been appalled at hearing from the conference, my post would have turned into a novel.
A couple of weeks ago, I emailed various Green and SNP MSPs re. the TWAW, etc issues. Haven’t heard from any of them. Can’t say I’m surprised.
I’ve never been a political activist, but if Woman Won’t Wheest hold another demo outside the Scottish Parliament, I intend to join them. NS has said that demos should not be allowed outside Parliament, and people could be arrested. Bring it on!

Thanks for the info on David Lammy. Idiot

Interesting that you say the Greens would be out of their depth! I can’t imagine anyone or any party could make a worse job of running a country than this PM and this inept, incompetent, lying bunch of individuals

The record of the SNP is fair game.

Blaming them for the Tories being in power isn't.

(BTW, vaccine app worked first time for me yesterday. Guess I'm just lucky)

Alegrias you need to realise, that the majority of people who voyed for the Conservatives still back them, and think Boris is doing the best job possible in difficult circumstances.

You should neither patronise nor despise those who voted Conservative, they are as entitled to their opinions as you are and they thought about their decisions as carefully as you did.

If we cannot respect our fellow citizens, whether we agree with them, politically, religiously or in any other way, or not, however can we hope to develop a civilised society, which isn't dominated by anger directed toward or hate of our fellow citizens.

Whinge, Whinge. Whinge and more Whinge. That is all I seem to be hearing and seeing, especially on Gransnet, which I do enjoy reading. Come on all you whingers look at the large numbers of people still catching Covid-19 and dying from it , which everybody seems to ignore, even though there are huge numbers already vaccinated, so it is not just the Government, but, you yourself, (speaking of the general public) who are mostly to blame, witness also, the unnecessary rush to the garage for fuel, if you get my meaning.
Regards and best wishes to all of you Whingers.

?? MOnica the voice of reason, as always.

Re.David Lammy - last year he said babies were born without a sex. At the recent party conference, “I understand that a cervix is something you can have after various procedures, hormone treatments, all the rest of it”. He was only one of many who said similar things

Thank you grannydarkhair you saved me from commenting on David Lammy (as I was asked to).

All I had to do was cut and paste.

When he comes on tv news I mute the sound. ?

lightallan

Whinge, Whinge. Whinge and more Whinge. That is all I seem to be hearing and seeing, especially on Gransnet, which I do enjoy reading. Come on all you whingers look at the large numbers of people still catching Covid-19 and dying from it , which everybody seems to ignore, even though there are huge numbers already vaccinated, so it is not just the Government, but, you yourself, (speaking of the general public) who are mostly to blame, witness also, the unnecessary rush to the garage for fuel, if you get my meaning.
Regards and best wishes to all of you Whingers.

The word hypocrite immediately springs to mind.

you need to realise, that the majority of people who voyed for the Conservatives still back them, and think Boris is doing the best job possible in difficult circumstances.

Actually that is not so, MOnica.

News from my 'red wall' constituency is that the natives are getting a bit peed off with the tories. Polling evidence shows that it would swing back to Labour if there were a GE soon.

northeastbylines.co.uk/north-east-blue-seats-might-turn-red-suggests-new-poll/

stewaris

I live in Scotland and, I hate to say it, you're lucky. The SNP is shambolic from£600k on a vaccine app that doesn't work, rescuing Fergusons ship yard and paying the CE/consultant over £2k a day to manage it, the new children's hospital that still isn't opened in Edinburgh and is costing eye watering sums of money is just so depressing. No matter what the SNP say they did not get the majority vote and people are sick to the back teeth of the continuing talk on independence. We wouldn't have survived the pandemic without being in the UK. Nicola Sturgeon is an idiot.

Plus stewaris Scotland has more drug deaths each year than any other country in Europe. The rate north of the border is more than three times that in England and Wales.

if you get my meaning.

Not really lightallen
Sounds just like a whinge.

News from my 'red wall' constituency is that the natives are getting a bit peed off with the tories. Polling evidence shows that it would swing back to Labour if there were a GE soon.

I just deleted what I was going to post which was a similar theme.
Those traditional Labour voters who may have used their vote as a protest against Corbyn may well be regretting it and will swing back to Labour at the next GE.

The SNP, having one main aim, will still appeal to enough Scots who want independence to keep Labour out thus reducing the Labour vote by what may have been 40+ (50+?) seats.