NHS in crises

Something drew me to look at Reform Party UK. I always assumed they were very right wing but I thought I should look for myself. They were very anti woke as you would expect but their ideas on reforming the NHS were really interesting. They have graphs showing how little we pay into the NHS compared with other countries, maintain the NHS should be free, want more doctors and nurses to be trained, want to get rid of duplication and excess paperwork, and have properly trained managers, and more say for patients. Wow! I was surprised to read this and found myself in total agreement. Have a read. You too may be surprised although not necessarily agreeing with the rest of their policies apart from a proportional representation aim.

If our NHS system is thought to be such a good idea - why hasn't any other country in the world copied it ?

There was a time when it was the envy of the world.

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I have been in and out of hospital all my life due to congenital disability and remember when actual medical people ran things. If we put the NHS back in the hands of the medics and gave them the huge sums of money we currently pay to beaurocrats I’m sure things would be different. Alas there’s no political will - definitely not now that the Tories have been in charge for so long because they don’t want an NHS.

@Whitewavemark2 - the reason no one on spoken media is telling the truth about the health bill is that it doesn’t fit the current agenda. We’re more interested in how to address each other with the right ‘pronouns’ and other frankly ridiculous woke issues, than focusing on what really matters. In years to come future generations will look back on what happened during these times and wonder WTF we were thinking !!

@Calistemon. I’ve been at the sharp end of this incompetence three times so far this year. Waiting to have a knee drained and steroid treatment for rheumatoid arthritis at our local hospital. Twice, the letter arrived after the appointment date and I was referred back to the GP as a failed to attend. In the end I complained to the trust but the same thing happened again. I actually got a letter last week giving me the appointment for the beginning of December and it was followed the very next day by another letter cancelling it and moving it to two days before Christmas. You couldn’t make this shit up !!

My MI had a massive stroke on Saturday sometime between 4.30 and 5.30 .Her carer found her on the floor at 5.30 and called an ambulance and my SIL who lives nearby.The ambulance was already there when SIL arrived withing 10 minutes.
She was taken to A and E and they had a diagnosis within the hour .She was then moved to a single room in the mediacal assessement unit and we were allowed to stay with her all night .
Sunday we stayed with her all day and the doctor advised us to go home to rest .She was moved to a stroke ward yesterday and reassesed .Everyone we saw has been amazing,caring and truthful with us.We now she is unlikely to come home and even if she recovers a bit it wont be to any degree where she can leave hospital.
I have never had bad treatment from the NHS,mil has free personal care with 4 visits a day and no complaints about any of the men and women who have helped her for the past year .She has always been very independent ...too independent sometimes and the at home care has owred very well for her.
I now staffing is a n issue here in Scotland after Brexit and that other areas aren't so well served .We should be striving to ensure ALL the elderly and vulnerable get treated as well as my MIL has been

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If our NHS system is thought to be such a good idea - why hasn't any other country in the world copied it ?

studyabroadnations.com/top-10-countries-with-free-healthcare-for-everyone-including-students/

Pammie1
I'm not sure where you are but this was in Wales, sorry this has happened to you too.

DH had a phone call yesterday offering him an appointment today, luckily we could go and all was well. However, it was very last-minute (a routine, fairly non-urgent appointment) so I think the clinic was making sure he knew and wasn't trusting the information to the appointments system!

Ps the healthcare professional DH saw was excellent.
It is not them, it is bureaucracy in the system going wrong which is causing problems.

paddyann I'm sorry to hear about your MIL and hope she is comfortable and not distressed at all and tou are able to visit her.

The trouble is that the NHS service is so patchy, I think. A friend here had a suspected stroke at the weekend and spent 12 hours in the ambulance.

you not tou, sorry

I hope the health and Care bill second reading through the House of Lords stope this from becoming law.


This is damning During last night’s 14.5hr shift, we saw ONE patient. That’s not because there’s no demand, but because we were stuck at hospital for the entire duration, waiting for bed space. Ambulance crew says people are dying because Tories are defunding & privatising NHS What part of this is sustainable […]

vegansrock

The ambulance service is in crisis too with stories of lengthy waits for ambulances, people dying in ambulances as they are stacked up at A and E and can’t get to the next call. Scary. The healthcare system in this country is definitely collapsing .

No, it is not definitely collapsing.
It’s become more difficult due to Covid, but that’s a given, and many countries are experiencing the same, just watched a news item about the Netherlands.

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If our NHS system is thought to be such a good idea - why hasn't any other country in the world copied it ?

Because their population wouldn’t want to fund ‘others’ that’s why.Many countries are happy enough to stump up the cash for their own health insurance but wouldn’t dream of a system where their own tax cash helped those less fortunate.
Obama tried that in the US ( a form of it) and there was such an outcry at the thought of it!

25Avalon

There was a time when it was the envy of the world.

There is still admiration for it....and another reason that many economic migrants wish to settle here.

I missed the original comment about why the NHS has not been copied, or I would have responded then. Of course, it has.
www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/why-has-the-nhs-not-been-copied-spoiler-it-has

MaizieD

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If our NHS system is thought to be such a good idea - why hasn't any other country in the world copied it ?

studyabroadnations.com/top-10-countries-with-free-healthcare-for-everyone-including-students/

Health care in Europe is part funded by Gov and State. All care is free when medical necessary, as is ours. From then on it differs. Only know about Germany, as where family are. Here is a guide.
www.internations.org/go/moving-to-germany/healthcare

Should say State and insurance, either State or private.

The article I posted above explains some of the European health systems. Here’s one very salient passage:
‘The one element of the English NHS that has not been copied – and might well be one of the factors holding it back – is the extent to which it is very centralised and very politicised. Paradoxically, it has often not used the power that could come from a centralised system to enforce beneficial changes, with central powers instead being directed at short-term politically salient goals. This is a whole other area for investigation.’
So true.