The leader has become a liability

Now that did make me laugh lemongrove! ?
It could just as easily have been.

Nope, they didn’t want Brexit doing ‘dirty’ as you charmingly put it coastpath but they did want it doing.The red wall seats
Voted for Johnson for that very reason and to keep Corbyn out.As did many other people, which is why he ended up with such a big majority.
Now we are out of the EU and Corbyn is toast then Labour, (after such a very long time with Conservatives in power) will
no doubt win the next GE.If Starmer fails on that he will cease to be leader, deservedly.

This isn’t about Labour though. Tell us what you think about the actual question lemongrove, do you think Boris will survive as leader until the next election?

Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s ratings are very low in Scotland. 4 in 5 Scots (80%) say they are dissatisfied with the way he is doing his job as Prime Minister, while just 16% are satisfied. This is the lowest level ever recorded by Ipsos MORI – Johnson’s previous lowest rating was in October 2020, when 76% were dissatisfied with his performance as Prime Minister, while in April 2021 64% were dissatisfied. Almost 3 in 5 (58%) of those who voted Conservative at the 2019 General Election say they are dissatisfied.

Ipsos MORI poll conducted in the week after the Peppa Pig debacle.

I think dirty is the right word for it Lemongrove. All evidence suggests that Boris Johnson doesn't play by the rules and never has. He plays dirty - lies, cheats, whatever it takes to get done what he wants done. A vote for a A vote for him was I believe a vote for a man whose morals and principles were questionable and who was known to play dirty.

If anyone can say that they voted for Johnson because they believed he was the man who would honorably, fairly and in a straightforwardly decent manner execute the Brexit plan then I will happily admit I'm wrong.

Boris will survive this. Peppy Pig. Boozy Christmas party (which he wasn’t at BTW).

Red wall voters were FURIOUS that the HoC were twisting every which way to avoid enacting the result of the referendum to Brexit. Remember the hostile indicative votes? The Benn Act?

Remainers weren’t fussed. Indeed they were even hopeful it could be REVERSED! Remember Jo Swanson for the Lib Dem’s piously opining that she would ignore the referendum result if she were elected? Sheesh.

And here’s the rub.
Those of us who wanted BREXIT had nowhere to turn. No one was on their side.
Until Boris made his promise. To Get Brexit Done.

Now many feel a great loyalty towards Boris. It will not easily be forgotten.

Sorry ? I know it rankles but there it is.

Well you've got your Brexit- and where will you turn now?

What will you do with it?

Now many feel a great loyalty towards Boris. It will not easily be forgotten.

58% of Scottish Tory voters would beg to differ.

And mainly, do you know what it is... now you've got it?

I hope those of you defending Brexit don't need care any time soon as we just cannot recruit carers at all. It is an unforgivable situation that vulnerable people have been left in.

MerylStreep

I’ve just read an article where a journalist has called Starmer a
cast iron chateau bottled yawn
I think I’d rather take the brick bats hurled at Boris than be thought of in this light ?
After all, you stop listening to people if they’re boring, don’t you ?

You'd rather people thought you were a lying, cheating, money grabbing liar?

Coastpath, good post. Urmstongran, I am saddened that your drive and obsession to ',get Brexit done' meant the country ended up with this cheat and liar as the PM, I can only assume that your desire for Brexit over rode any moral considerations.

Those of us who wanted BREXIT had nowhere to turn. No one was on their side. Until Boris made his promise. To Get Brexit Done.

When the only person on your side is a liar and a cheat surely it is worth considering if your side is doing the right thing.

Excellent post, Coastpath

Katie59 In all honesty in these Covid dominated days I really don’t believe anyone else would do better

I am sorry but I beg to differ.

Here below are some of the most affluent countries in Europe. The UK is placed second but as it can be seen has more deaths per million population except of Italy, which was first hit with no réal warning. However, the UK had a few weeks to prepare but Boris was absent from the COBRA meetings in January. Even the NHS working their knuckles to the bone couldn’t cope because Boris diverted the money to ….. well we all know.
Germany 1214.58
United Kingdom 2172.26
France 1834.23
Italy 2223.54
Spain 1874.76
Netherlands 1122.8
Sweden 148.72
www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/
worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/richest-european-countries

Coastpath 10.38 post

I've tried to find a redeeming feature with Boris Johnson - no-one is all bad, are they?

I'm not bothered about his ruffled hair, his ill-fitting suits - or, really, his private life... I'm not even sure he's obliged to tell us how many children he's fathered. And his buffoonery - well, many people have their idiosyncrasies.

I've been watching this thread and sitting here thinking about him. But, I cannot find one quality that I can respect or admire. I shan't babble on about what he's said, done - or not done, or all the things that I dislike about him, we've all heard them a million times over.

I will only sum it up from a statement he made in 2016 regarding Brexit.

"Leaving would cause business uncertainty, while embroiling the government for years in a fiddly process of negotiating new arrangements, so diverting energy from the real problems that have nothing to do with Europe"

... and then, he "got Brexit done". Badly. And is now scapegoating the EU for his own failures. Brexit was a conduit for his personal ambition - an ambition that far outweighs his competence. He's not 'on your side', he's not on anyone's side, he's on a quest and I don't think he cares one jot about the country... he will leave us as he found us and not give a second thought to all the damage he has caused. He is, in short, simply a narcissist.

Share of people who think Brexit was the right or wrong decision 2020-2021
Published by Statista Research Department, Nov 16, 2021
As of November 2021, 50 percent of people in Great Britain thought that it was wrong to leave the European Union, compared with 37 percent who thought it was the right decision. In the actual referendum, which took place on June 23, 2016, leave won 51.9 percent of the votes and remain 48.1 percent, after several polls in the run-up to the referendum put remain slightly ahead.
People are waking up.

But I wasn’t allowed to vote like many others in Europe. We didn’t count. I am British.

JaneJudge

I hope those of you defending Brexit don't need care any time soon as we just cannot recruit carers at all. It is an unforgivable situation that vulnerable people have been left in.

Yes, there has been a lot of coverage of this issue lately I notice. On our local news tonight there was an item about a family with a teenager with complex physical difficulties who was having dreadful problems getting carers. Her mother ran the family caravan business, livery stables and had two younger children and looked absolutely wrung out. Many people think only of elderly people and carers, which is nowhere near the reality.

Yes Gill, they think of a temporary situation rather than an ongoing one

Not that a lack of carers or care in ANY situation is ideal

It's the same in other sectors linked to disability, education support in mainstream settings for example.

all these lazy, work shy brexit voters who wanted theses jobs should apply for them

Time for bitter Remainers to give it a rest? Oh yes, I think so.
Johnson wasn’t the one doing the negotiations for the UK with EU counterparts ( although I realise that many on GN think it’s him doing everything).
The reason Johnson and the Conservatives did so well was to get us out of the impasse we were in and finally out of the EU.
That’s been done, so well worth voting for them.
It’s up to the government to make it work, and the next government too, whichever political party gets in.
They say that older people live in the past....well, many on here are still reliving 2016 and fighting old battles.Time to move on.

Time for bitter Remainers to give it a rest? Oh yes, I think so.
Johnson wasn’t the one doing the negotiations for the UK with EU counterparts ( although I realise that many on GN think it’s him doing everything).
The reason Johnson and the Conservatives did so well was to get us out of the impasse we were in and finally out of the EU.
That’s been done, so well worth voting for them.
It’s up to the government to make it work, and the next government too, whichever political party gets in.
They say that older people live in the past....well, many on here are still reliving 2016 and fighting old battles.Time to move on.