Will we have a new PM by the end of the month?

DiscoDancer1975

Iam64

Time wasting trivia ?
What about imposing draconian measures on everyone else, then doing exactly what you want. People were fined for much smaller breaches

Why don’t you see it as they were keeping us all safe, and I thank them for that. They maybe didn’t keep themselves as safe, but that’s up to them. As Holysox said, there are bigger things to worry about. This is just a distraction to get rid of Boris, the man who got us out of Europe, and in my opinion, has done as well as anyone else would have during covid. There wasn’t a manual!

Many politicians are incompetent liars. Boris is no worse than anyone else.

OH YES HE IS

No manual - there were very strict rules, that THEY made themselves. That the Queen and all of us followed, some with massive sacrifices- including not being with loved ones as they died alone.

I so, so hope so.

Lucca

Oh he is he is.

He did not do as well as anyone else. He delayed lockdown too long he didn’t borders or stop large sporting events, He was just lucky the scientists sorted a vaccine

I agree he should have closed borders straight away, but to hear people’s rants about him on here, you’d expect the whole world to be clear of covid except us in the U.K.,

Then it would make sense. What were the numbers of new infections in the States yesterday? 1.4 million wasn’t it?

The Prime Minister wasn’t thinking of others the week he visited a hospital without a mask, shook hands with all and sundry when we knew we had a rampant pandemic in our midst, and contracted Covid himself - taking up a bed in intensive care.
“Protect our Nhs” he kept repeating on his daily briefings. Except he didn’t.
How can we believe in a leader like him?

I've never thought much of Douglas Ross but he has his good days.

Scottish Conservative leader calls for Boris Johnson to quit.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-59969690

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t want a Conservative government. I also voted to get us out of Europe. Now they can go with pleasure.

I just think anyone would have struggled with this pandemic. The whole world is struggling, and no one can blame Boris for that.....can they?

Lucca

Oh he is he is.

He did not do as well as anyone else. He delayed lockdown too long he didn’t borders or stop large sporting events, He was just lucky the scientists sorted a vaccine

With hindsight perhaps put us in lockdown earlier ... at best maybe a week. Would have had minimal impact on first wave. Main problem was NHS needing to send elderly into care homes to fred up beds due to lack of space in hospitals / convalencse provision. This a consequence of 10 years of austerity, that being a consequence of the financial crisis under Labour.
"Lucky the scientists sorted a vaccine". Do you not mean fortunate for us the current government, under Boris, invested heavily to vaccine development ensuring their development with the UK being the first country to implement them.

The vaccine most of us had was invented and created in Germany. By Turkish immigrants.

They maybe didn’t keep themselves as safe, but that’s up to them

After the party they all went home, presumably on public transport to their families potentially spreading the virus into the community. The next day they were off to work again to potentially infect colleagues who'd not broken the rules. How is that keeping us safe?

He lied.
He broke the rules. His own rules.
He'd already had Covid and nearly died. He'd had medical staff risk their lives tending him 24 hours a day and then just over a month later he and his wife were drinking at a party, risking catching it again or passing it on to others putting more NHS staff at risk.

Someone would have had to try very hard to do worse.

Keir, pleasant but no leader, not an idea in his head, his deputy Angela is such an embarrassment, loud mouthed and unpleasant. They have no policies. Someone has an awful lot of time on their hands to be finding everything to attack Conservatives on. It’s probably their job the more dirt they find. Who has the most to gain from it? We don’t know what Labour got up to. Look what Corbin got away with! I don’t agree with what they did, I live alone and saw no one, kept to the rules, it was very lonely, I still prefer him to the alternative until I see anyone I think up to being a leader.

Starmer ? A QC , not an idea in his head ?

What did Corbyn “get away with “? (Not that I was a particular fan)

allsorts you mean you prefer a lying incompetent, who cheats on everything, and everyone, that can’t be trusted - ever.

Blimey!

Coastpath

*They maybe didn’t keep themselves as safe, but that’s up to them*

After the party they all went home, presumably on public transport to their families potentially spreading the virus into the community. The next day they were off to work again to potentially infect colleagues who'd not broken the rules. How is that keeping us safe?

He lied.
He broke the rules. His own rules.
He'd already had Covid and nearly died. He'd had medical staff risk their lives tending him 24 hours a day and then just over a month later he and his wife were drinking at a party, risking catching it again or passing it on to others putting more NHS staff at risk.

Someone would have had to try very hard to do worse.

They all work together, so there was always a risk of catching it and passing it on, the same as any other groups of people who’ve had to work for our benefit. Emergency services, shops etc.

They wouldn’t have caught anything in the garden, and spread it that same day. Most likely not the next day either.

I’m more concerned about a YouTube video we saw, where a doctor who looks after the elderly, has refused the vaccines, stating her reasons as, she’s already had covid and doesn’t think it’s a high enough risk for her to be worried. Forgetting the fact she could have asymptotic covid and pass it to everyone, including vulnerable patients. She is faced with losing her job in April.

I find this much more worrying, that we could be treated by unvaccinated NHS staff, than a few people having drinks outside in the garden, which I’m sure is massive, with the bonus of fresh air.

I agree it was the wrong thing to do, but still think we’re making it bigger than it needs to be.

What a mess

fb.watch/auLubIJc1c/

HolySox said "This a consequence of 10 years of austerity, that being a consequence of the financial crisis under Labour."
I think they meant the international financial crisis caused by the deregulation of the banking system, not Labour.

Allsorts said Look what Corbin got away with! I don't understand, what did Corbyn get away with?

There's a whole thread going on about not correcting people's spelling or grammar.

But I can't believe anybody is making rational arguments when they think that covid can be asymptotic.

Yes still waiting for the list of things Corbyn got away with…..

Although it probably justifies a different thread, I agree with you DiscoDancer that medical staff who refuse vaccination are a real worry.
Back to BJ now.

DiscoDancer1975 A good point you make about the risk being less outside. We agree that what they did was wrong.

To me it is a big deal that the people who made the rules broke them and that when asked about it the PM has lied.

The doctor on the Utube video is a different matter. I don't see how it detracts from this issue.

Imagine what the entire world is thinking with Johnson and Windsor?

DiscoDancer If 100 people had turned up at the party and followed the rules on social distancing - 2m plus circulating area of 28.8 square metres then the combined gardens of numbers 10 and 11 Downing Street would not be large enough to accommodate them and follow the rules.

As it happens not that many turned up but who goes to a party and stands 2 metres apart from everyone else all the time?It's not just the parties, it's the cronyism and the excessive payments to friends starting up companies to do track and trace and other things that didn't work. It runs into billions.

Alegrias1

There's a whole thread going on about not correcting people's spelling or grammar.

But I can't believe anybody is making rational arguments when they think that covid can be asymptotic.

Yes...I trusted spell check. Looking at it quickly, it looked right. I’m not as perfect as I thought I was!

Yes Dinahmo, in the overall scheme of things, it was the wrong thing to do, but I still think it would pale into insignificance, had we had a different leader, who isn’t wanted by his own party.

His ‘ mistakes ‘ are too obvious, putting the rest of them, ( Labour included ), to shame. Most of them would be so good at hiding it.

I sincerely hope so, Sago and I hope that wipes the smirk off his face.

I don’t suppose they’re 2 metres apart when they’re working either.