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Cummings statement in the Rose Garden…

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Esspee Tue 18-Jan-22 14:21:31

…was totally unbelievable. Why then do I believe every word of his blog regarding all the no.10 parties and non parties?

Anybody else convinced of the veracity of his most recent public utterance?

I don’t know how to do links but I’m sure someone will be along in a moment to assist. TIA

Kali2 Tue 18-Jan-22 19:47:33

I don't think they believed him, really. They believed what they wanted to believe in- Brexit.

Gwyneth Tue 18-Jan-22 20:48:00

Loved your comment Casdon that song certainly brings back memories.
Maisie I don’t understand the point you are making. I’ve always felt that anything Cummings said was untruthful and that it was always about saving his own skin. Intuition maybe. So do you believe the Barnard Castle story is credible Maisie?

Kali2 Tue 18-Jan-22 20:50:41

Do you believe Johnson more than Cummings?

MaizieD Tue 18-Jan-22 21:57:54

Gwyneth

Loved your comment Casdon that song certainly brings back memories.
Maisie I don’t understand the point you are making. I’ve always felt that anything Cummings said was untruthful and that it was always about saving his own skin. Intuition maybe. So do you believe the Barnard Castle story is credible Maisie?

Did you vote Leave, *Gwyneth?

merlotgran Wed 19-Jan-22 00:41:13

Whitewavemark2

Cummings is a sociopath and was a lying scumbag in the rose garden.

But to do what he is doing to Johnson, he has to be pretty sure of his facts. To swear in court over what Johnson did over the parties etc would be a serious breach leading to potential imprisonment. He maintains he has other witnesses.

I do not believe that he is prepared to perjure himself as he has ambitions beyond Johnson and has Sunak as Prime minister in his sight. He is already advising him.

Then Rushi Sunak will need to watch his back.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Jan-22 04:42:29

And if you are not keen on free markets and small state then you need to watch your back if Sunak gets the leadership.

Austerity will be back with a vengeance

vegansrock Wed 19-Jan-22 06:35:27

Yet there were leave voters singing his praises and defending the Barnard Castle trip ( the PM was one) who now brand him a liar because they don’t like what he’s saying.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Jan-22 07:28:15

Actually I have just had a very chilling thought about Cummings.

He thinks he is probably the country’s greatest strategist.

He won the referendum against the odds.

He ran Johnson’s election campaign and won.

He began the Brexit process, but has professed he has lost interest in it.

He swore vengeance on Johnson after he was given the boot, and that appears near completion.

Now folks he is banking on Sunak and thereafter once again influence the course our country will take.

He has left nothing but chaos and carnage, but as a sociopath cares absolutely nothing for the harm to individuals.

He really must be stopped.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Jan-22 07:46:22

On twitter

“The same people who put him there, the same people who gave us the disaster of Brexit, the same people who have damaged so much that is good about this country, are now deciding who should replace him. The whole rotten stinking lot of them should be cleared out.”

Msida Wed 19-Jan-22 07:51:02

He seems to be very bitter

Allsorts Wed 19-Jan-22 07:56:52

Cummings is on a mission and we all know that. I for one hope he doesn’t succeed. He is in likeable and untrustworthy.
I look at what Boris has achieved, it undeniably stupid to lose a job for what appears to be an office party which everyone avoids at all costs. I see Kerr’s parties are different as he was drinking out of a bottle, inside, I thought that was how it was transmitted, inside in close spaces, but I must have that wrong.
Anyway, it will run its course I hope Boris survives it as it was so stupid. I think he has been there all through the pandemic even working whilst having Covid, he was very un well, but people don’t remember that. I very much doubt he would serve another term anyway.

Allsorts Wed 19-Jan-22 07:58:13

Cummings unlikeable, the prefix disappeared when I pressed send.?

love0c Wed 19-Jan-22 07:59:22

Like seeks like.

Lucca Wed 19-Jan-22 08:30:07

vegansrock

Yet there were leave voters singing his praises and defending the Barnard Castle trip ( the PM was one) who now brand him a liar because they don’t like what he’s saying.

Absolutely I remember that!

rosie1959 Wed 19-Jan-22 08:35:07

There is definitely one person in the Government who will never listen to a word Cummings says again

Lincslass Wed 19-Jan-22 08:47:55

MaizieD

Allsorts

Why would anyone listen to a liar. Odious man.

People who voted Leave believed him... hmm

This isn’t about who voted leave, it’s about him and Johnson.

MaizieD Wed 19-Jan-22 08:58:53

Lincslass

MaizieD

Allsorts

Why would anyone listen to a liar. Odious man.

People who voted Leave believed him... hmm

This isn’t about who voted leave, it’s about him and Johnson.

It is about Cummings. Note the thread title.

I am pointing out that Leave voters who are attacking him now for lying were perfectly happy to believe the lies he orchestrated for the Leave campaign that he ran. Perhaps they should pipe down a bit.

Dickens Wed 19-Jan-22 09:11:44

Whitewavemark2

And if you are not keen on free markets and small state then you need to watch your back if Sunak gets the leadership.

Austerity will be back with a vengeance

Do you think that free-market ideology in its purest form is understood by most people?

We are already going down that route - the 'Americanisation' of our political system and its culture started some time ago.

Small-State is not going to benefit anyone who is just about managing, or sick/ disabled / old.

Many don't understand how an economy functions - hence the grudging acceptance of Austerity. Governments make choices about spending based purely on its ideology. Austerity was not necessary and, in spite of the pandemic, it's not necessary now. The Loan from the BoE can be extended indefinitely (and with lower interest rates - interest which is paid back to the government anyway). But it will be imposed on us if Sunak becomes PM.

If only people would take the time to research, study and understand... but they won't. And RW governments know that and know how to manipulate us, how to divide us, so instead of holding them accountable, we endlessly blame each other for 'what's wrong with society'.

I find it all very depressing...

25Avalon Wed 19-Jan-22 09:11:56

Cummings is a very clever man, deviously so, and should never be underestimated. I can’t see him getting into a position of power again however as he has lost trust. Sunak is also clever and whilst he may take some advice from Cummings it will be to promote his own ends and he will be wary. Cummings is like a two edged razor and is very bitter about being ousted. When thieves fall out look out.

Pammie1 Wed 19-Jan-22 09:53:13

Dickens

Whitewavemark2

And if you are not keen on free markets and small state then you need to watch your back if Sunak gets the leadership.

Austerity will be back with a vengeance

Do you think that free-market ideology in its purest form is understood by most people?

We are already going down that route - the 'Americanisation' of our political system and its culture started some time ago.

Small-State is not going to benefit anyone who is just about managing, or sick/ disabled / old.

Many don't understand how an economy functions - hence the grudging acceptance of Austerity. Governments make choices about spending based purely on its ideology. Austerity was not necessary and, in spite of the pandemic, it's not necessary now. The Loan from the BoE can be extended indefinitely (and with lower interest rates - interest which is paid back to the government anyway). But it will be imposed on us if Sunak becomes PM.

If only people would take the time to research, study and understand... but they won't. And RW governments know that and know how to manipulate us, how to divide us, so instead of holding them accountable, we endlessly blame each other for 'what's wrong with society'.

I find it all very depressing...

They’re already ‘consulting’ on more draconian cuts to disability benefits that will see most of the benefits the sick and disabled rely on being means tested to the bone. Support benefits like Personal Independence Payment, and therefore the Motability service, which underpins independence for millions, will disappear into Universal Credit and so not available to anyone disabled unless they qualify for UC. It’s being done very quietly and they’re looking at modelling things on systems used by Australia and Switzerland - notoriously austere policies. At the moment it’s a consultation, but next year it will be a green paper and if the proposals become law, all of this will start to be implemented in 2027.

Boz Wed 19-Jan-22 09:56:02

The thing is, Cummings knows how to manipulate the vote and is therefore appealing to an up and coming politician (Sunak or Truss) as an aide. Probably, the Devil in disguise!

Pammie1 Wed 19-Jan-22 10:01:54

Whitewavemark2

And if you are not keen on free markets and small state then you need to watch your back if Sunak gets the leadership.

Austerity will be back with a vengeance

I think a lot of the electorate don’t really think about what ‘small state’ really means. I have a lot of friends who are disabled and most of them voted Tory and ended up with the Coalition government which scrapped DLA and introduced PIP - breaking an election pledge to leave disability benefits untouched. The same people whinged incessantly about the consequential reduction in their benefits. It’s utterly beyond me why people who have to rely on the state to any degree vote Tory. The reduction of the state and self reliance as an ideology means that anyone who can’t work will struggle to get support. It’s happened over the last 12 years of Tory rule and it can only get worse.

maddyone Wed 19-Jan-22 10:21:58

I don’t know how any of us know that leave voters who supported Cummings are now not supporting him. Is it on Twitter? I don’t do Twitter.
I voted remain. I didn’t listen to Cummings then, and I wouldn’t listen to him now.I think he tells lies.

maddyone Wed 19-Jan-22 10:23:40

This isn’t about who voted leave. It’s about him and Johnson.
Well said Lincslass.

katy1950 Wed 19-Jan-22 10:42:00

Well said jozory why should we believe Cummings now when we didn't believe him last year its bizarre. The media have had it in for boris since he won the election its shameful and it makes you question who is controlling the media