Keir Starmer rescued by police

He would be stupid not to have been frightened and hes not a stupid man. I have so admired his approach in response to Johnsons lies. It's sad that it has come to the stage where I am delighted if someone acts like a grown up.

If could think of one way to improve the quality of the debate on Gransnet it would be for posters to make the effort to find out the facts.
Possibly true Casdon, but we have to acknowledge that at least half the population don't make an effort to find out any real facts, so in that respect you are getting a true view of opinion on GN.

I often think that his family must be frightened for him going out of the house everyday, as with any high profile politician.

Well the PM has achieved his goal. This very debate on Gransnet about about Starmer’s CPS role in relation to the Saville issue is exactly what that sick idiot Johnson intended to achieve. Plant doubt, double down and stoke the fire. The fact that it is not true? The fact that Starmer took the unprecedented act of apologising for failures by the CPs not to prosecute in the face of mass support for Saville, not least from his great buddy, Margaret Thatcher? Johnson is completely of the Trump school, “never apologise, net back down”. Just keep stoking the fire for the idiots who want snippets of doubt. Sadly the image of the 1930s Blackshirts sprang to my mind last night!

MayBee70

Kali2

And yet, and yet- I get the feeling those thugs were not alt right- but alt left. Oder?

The far left and the far right meet in the middle.

oh yes, there are similarities- but they don't normally organise 'events' together. The other stuff they were shouting about seemed to be things the alt left accuses him of, not the alt right.

Did someone says Piers was there?

CvD66

Well the PM has achieved his goal. This very debate on Gransnet about about Starmer’s CPS role in relation to the Saville issue is exactly what that sick idiot Johnson intended to achieve. Plant doubt, double down and stoke the fire. The fact that it is not true? The fact that Starmer took the unprecedented act of apologising for failures by the CPs not to prosecute in the face of mass support for Saville, not least from his great buddy, Margaret Thatcher? Johnson is completely of the Trump school, “never apologise, net back down”. Just keep stoking the fire for the idiots who want snippets of doubt. Sadly the image of the 1930s Blackshirts sprang to my mind last night!

The PM knew exactly what he was doing. He was advised not to use this slur by lawyers and advisors. Like Mr Trump, Johnson has an eye for a great distraction away from his own failings. The truth simply doesn’t matter to him in any area of life.

Excuse me? Who are you calling an idiot here?

josieann I am calling the PM an idiot. A man who deliberately tries to divert attention from his own mistakes and crimes by falsely slurring his opposition, deserves calling out! . MPs have recently been killed with less provocation yet the PM who was advised against using this slur, arrogantly continued!

Just like Trump.

Johnson denying that there is any link between the words he used and the incident with Starmer.

He’s beginning to make Oswald Mosley look statesmanlike

Downing Street has said there will be no apology,

I am now fearful for this country

Actually I think Johnson will now be hoist by his own petard Anniebach. His own MPs will take a dim view of what most politicians see as very questionable tactics, which by association will bring them into disrepute too. I can see the vote of no confidence looming ever closer.

If Piers Corbyn was involved, the demonstration was obviously centred around the anti vaccination idiots, but of course the media will pounce on the odd ‘Jimmy Savile’ reference and blow it up out of all proportion.

Why aren't people up in arms about the protestors who were acting so thuggishly? They were the ones at fault here.

I don't think BJ 'incited' them as they were shouting about all sorts of things other than Jimmy Saville - e.g. Julian Assange.

I'm not sticking up for BJ, and agree he shouldn't have made the comments he did, but to call his actions Trumpian is going too far.

I was also thinking that Johnson's stance is very much like Trump. Ditto the attitude that you'll need a tank to get me out. What an utter shambles.

MaizieD

Josieann

Maudi

Well the buck stops with Boris it's been said on these threads in the past because he's the PM, all the deaths from Covid etc are all his fault. Well perhaps the buck stops with Starmer because like it or not he was in charge of the CPS at the time.

I was just thinking the same Maudi. KS has spent the past few weeks saying Boris should be responsible for every little thing going on in No.10, so why shouldn't it be the same the other way round?

I thought better of you, Josieann.

These are my feelings on this debacle too. Covid & decisions made were on Boris’ watch. He was (is) the captain of the ship. So many GN posters have told us so. I’m sure he doesn’t make every single decision, that would be impossible, but he puts Ministers in place who do the day-to-day stuff.

Surely the same with Keir Starmer? He was the captain of the CPS ship. Again, I’m sure every single decision didn’t come to his desk. I don’t see the difference which is what Boris was pointing out.

Also, as an aside - I can’t have been the only one watching it live on tv and noticed how Starmer ‘went pink’ when the camera panned to him. I think he was technically embarrassed because the jibe hit home. KS has a legal (some like the word forensic) mind. If Boris was wrong, why did KS not stand up and shout ‘SLANDER!’ at him? That’s the bit I don’t understand in all this.

Urmstongran

MaizieD

Josieann

Maudi

Well the buck stops with Boris it's been said on these threads in the past because he's the PM, all the deaths from Covid etc are all his fault. Well perhaps the buck stops with Starmer because like it or not he was in charge of the CPS at the time.

I was just thinking the same Maudi. KS has spent the past few weeks saying Boris should be responsible for every little thing going on in No.10, so why shouldn't it be the same the other way round?

I thought better of you, Josieann.

These are my feelings on this debacle too. Covid & decisions made were on Boris’ watch. He was (is) the captain of the ship. So many GN posters have told us so. I’m sure he doesn’t make every single decision, that would be impossible, but he puts Ministers in place who do the day-to-day stuff.

Surely the same with Keir Starmer? He was the captain of the CPS ship. Again, I’m sure every single decision didn’t come to his desk. I don’t see the difference which is what Boris was pointing out.

Also, as an aside - I can’t have been the only one watching it live on tv and noticed how Starmer ‘went pink’ when the camera panned to him. I think he was technically embarrassed because the jibe hit home. KS has a legal (some like the word forensic) mind. If Boris was wrong, why did KS not stand up and shout ‘SLANDER!’ at him? That’s the bit I don’t understand in all this.

Starmer knows the law.

Parliamentary privilege prevents the accusation of slander.

Just to remind people of what Johnson said in 2019 in relation to police investigations into past cases of child abuse.

"One comment I would make is that I think an awful lot of the money, an awful lot of police time, now goes into these historic offences and all this malarkey - £60m I saw was being spaffed up the wall on some investigation into historic child abuse and all this kind of thing

... this is how much he cares about the victims of child abuse. It's money spaffed up the wall. On some investigation.

It was also the Conservative party who gave Savile a knighthood.

Do people really believe that Johnson cares one iota about this issue? He simply used his parliamentary privilege to cast a slur on Johnson - one he would not have dared to make as a private citizen. He was retaliating in the most offensive way he could think of to deflect from his own shortcomings. He is both despicable and dangerous.

Doodledog, you are right. British law says that everyone charged of a crime is entitled to defend him/herself, so we do not prosecute dead people, however much we know/ believe about their offences.

Mud sticks and seems it's stuck on Starmer he will forever be tarnished right or not of being in charge of the CPS and letting Jimmy Saville off the hook to commit more obscene acts. Also the photo of Starmer and Rayner kneeling in their office to BLM didn't go down to well did it, well perhaps some of his supporters on here liked it, but I don't think the silent majority of Labour voters in the real did.

Dickens

Just to remind people of what Johnson said in 2019 in relation to police investigations into past cases of child abuse.

"One comment I would make is that I think an awful lot of the money, an awful lot of police time, now goes into these historic offences and all this malarkey - £60m I saw was being spaffed up the wall on some investigation into historic child abuse and all this kind of thing

... this is how much he cares about the victims of child abuse. It's money spaffed up the wall. On some investigation.

It was also the Conservative party who gave Savile a knighthood.

Do people really believe that Johnson cares one iota about this issue? He simply used his parliamentary privilege to cast a slur on Johnson - one he would not have dared to make as a private citizen. He was retaliating in the most offensive way he could think of to deflect from his own shortcomings. He is both despicable and dangerous.

Anyone like to support Johnson’s comments on money being spaffed up the wall on some investigation into historic child abuse?

karmalady

KS was the man in charge, he carries the can for failure to prosecute JS

Surely you know that decisions to prosecute are dependent on evidence? Crimes like Saville’s depend on vulnerable people speaking out and for many reasons some just won’t do it. Margaret Thatcher lobbied strongly for his Knighthood despite warnings about him but Keir Starmer isn’t bringing her into the argument. Johnson is a desperate man who will stop at nothing to hold on to his job.

LilacChaser

Why aren't people up in arms about the protestors who were acting so thuggishly? They were the ones at fault here.

I don't think BJ 'incited' them as they were shouting about all sorts of things other than Jimmy Saville - e.g. Julian Assange.

I'm not sticking up for BJ, and agree he shouldn't have made the comments he did, but to call his actions Trumpian is going too far.

Both can be at fault you know.

Johnson, like Trump, is debasing politics to hang on to political power and avoid disgrace by harnessing the ignorant mob mentality as an aid. Shameful.

Johnson may be in the gutter but he can still see the drains.

I am sorry that Ellen Vannin's comment about Keir Starmer, which i read briefly, has been removed, censored I would say, yet people are allowed to write about it without the reader being able to compare their comments with the original.