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Braverman's behaviour in parliament today proves nothing has changed.

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Normandygirl Wed 26-Oct-22 22:14:18

Suella Braverman scuttling out of the commons today to avoid scrutiny is a clear indication that nothing has changed with the Tories. The question from Yvette Cooper was tabled in plenty of time so she has no excuses. The fact that she walked out in full view of the speaker doesn't enhance his reputation either.

MerylStreep Tue 01-Nov-22 14:31:26

Varian
We are working with the French.

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/joint-nca-and-french-operation-brings-down-suspected-small-boat-people-smuggling-network

Parsley3 Tue 01-Nov-22 14:45:34

Several women phoned in to Shelagh Fogerty today to say that they no longer feel safe in the country of their birth, the UK. They gave examples of being shouted at in the street and being questioned about holding a British passport. The reason for their fears? They do not have white skins.
The deliberate and inciteful hatred of human beings doesn't stop at refugees does it? Are Conservative voters happy with the way this is going?

DaisyAnne Tue 01-Nov-22 15:10:23

The sad thing is that is exactly what they want Parsley. It must be or they wouldn't be doing it.

J52 Tue 01-Nov-22 15:17:07

I feel that Braverman herself is inciting Civil unrest with her rhetoric.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 01-Nov-22 15:27:56

J52

I feel that Braverman herself is inciting Civil unrest with her rhetoric.

The petrol bomber is white, male and 66 years old.

This is the sort of people that are being incited.

He is, in my view a terrorist

GrannyGravy13 Tue 01-Nov-22 15:30:13

Whitewavemark2

J52

I feel that Braverman herself is inciting Civil unrest with her rhetoric.

The petrol bomber is white, male and 66 years old.

This is the sort of people that are being incited.

He is, in my view a terrorist

Definitely a terrorist Whitewavemark2

Prentice Tue 01-Nov-22 16:15:39

Although now a dead one.

Farzanah Tue 01-Nov-22 16:40:43

J52

I feel that Braverman herself is inciting Civil unrest with her rhetoric.

Words are very important and when words such as “being invaded”are used it’s bound to stir people up.
I wonder how many people realise that this is in fact what Conservatives want. They wouldn’t have passed the draconian Nationalities and Borders Act if not.
I urge you to take a look at it and just see what this country is becoming under a right wing government.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 01-Nov-22 16:56:10

👀 Jo Cox’s husband. “Hope Not Hate”

Brendan Cox

Horrible to see the Home Secretary use far right ‘invasion’ rhetoric. Obviously we should really ignore it because it’s an obvious attempt to distract - but some things you can’t ignore. This kind of language makes violence more likely and the Home Secretary knows it.

Curtaintwitcher Tue 01-Nov-22 18:22:50

She's the best person for the job. Unfortunately, she has a mammoth task cleaning up the mess left by her predecessors. I wish everyone would stop picking on her and let her get on with the job.
Something else we should be seriously concerned about is the number of MP's elected by us, the British people, who seem to have no care for this country and its people.
Is this truly democracy?

Casdon Tue 01-Nov-22 18:52:13

Curtaintwitcher

She's the best person for the job. Unfortunately, she has a mammoth task cleaning up the mess left by her predecessors. I wish everyone would stop picking on her and let her get on with the job.
Something else we should be seriously concerned about is the number of MP's elected by us, the British people, who seem to have no care for this country and its people.
Is this truly democracy?

She is definitely not the right person for the job, she’s proved that conclusively. Her predecessors are 12 years of Tory Home Secretaries, the cause is primarily Brexit. This lays at nobody else’s door.

volver Tue 01-Nov-22 19:22:27

Interesting piece in the news earlier.

As I suspected, the number of asylum seekers arriving in Britain today is about half of what it was 20 years ago. They are using a more visible route because other routes are not available to them any more. We are just failing to process the claims in a timely way.

As for Britain being too small, that's a red herring. We're nineteenth in the list of number of asylum seekers accepted per head of population, for Europe. There are many countries physically smaller than us - Netherlands, etc.

DaisyAnne Tue 01-Nov-22 19:31:29

I didn't believe people could be as blind as those in 1930s Germany. It appears they can. Are we always doomed to repeat history?

Iam64 Tue 01-Nov-22 19:32:02

Curtaintwitcher, you couldn’t be more wrong about Braverman.

I agree though that we should be worried by the number of MPs who seem to have no care for this country. I expect though, we would disagree about which mp’s fit your category

MayBee70 Tue 01-Nov-22 19:34:32

DaisyAnne

I didn't believe people could be as blind as those in 1930s Germany. It appears they can. Are we always doomed to repeat history?

I’ve been likening this country to the Weimar Republic for several years. It’s frightening.

HousePlantQueen Tue 01-Nov-22 19:34:47

Quote from the late Tony Benn

The way a government treats refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it

MerylStreep Tue 01-Nov-22 20:37:23

MayBee70
This article will give you an idea of what is happening in Europe.

reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/ukraine-crisis-double-standards-has-europe-s-response-refugees-changed

Eloethan Tue 01-Nov-22 22:32:30

She is a horrible woman. Her gleeful comments about sending people to Rwanda and her description of people seeking asylum as an "invasion" is, I think, disgraceful. Such a word has warlike connotations and can only encourage mentally unstable or hate-filled people to commit dangerous acts - such as the man who firebombed the refugee centre.

IrishDancing Tue 01-Nov-22 22:37:30

She’s a disgrace.

Gman Wed 02-Nov-22 09:35:27

Voters think like the "Sheep in Animal Farm" four legs good two legs bad. How about 'Put Britain First' Our Victorian forefathers would not have endured the childish playground squabbling that passes for political thinking and action today. We are being invaded and survival depends on getting it stopped.

volver Wed 02-Nov-22 09:45:54

That's disgusting, Gman. You're being misled.

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 02-Nov-22 09:54:00

Hmm Gman- that'll be those Victorians who invaded other countries, enslaved people, robbed the riches of the lands they claimed for their Empire....I could go on: those Victorians?

Iam64 Wed 02-Nov-22 10:03:40

Chocolatelovinggran

Hmm Gman- that'll be those Victorians who invaded other countries, enslaved people, robbed the riches of the lands they claimed for their Empire....I could go on: those Victorians?

Amazing how many people seem unaware their belief systems are elitist and racist Gman

Luckygirl3 Wed 02-Nov-22 15:56:11

Something else we should be seriously concerned about is the number of MP's elected by us, the British people, who seem to have no care for this country and its people.

Indeed we should be worried. We are ruled by a government that has no idea what the word service means - hence the decline in the NHS, transport, care and all the rest. They truly have no concern for the country and its people - all its people.

DaisyAnne Wed 02-Nov-22 22:02:48

Put Britain First sounds as if it goes with a straight-armed salute. But then, anyone who tells the country "We are being invaded and survival depends on getting it stopped." may see that as what we should be doing. The threat is not coming from the asylum seekers but from the far-right who have tried to take over the government.

I see that Sunak has put in Victoria Prentice as Attorney General and this has gone down well with the legal hierarchy. Hopefully this means the dross in his party will now have to obey laws and be told this directly. We may (I live in hope) see an end to Attorney's General willingly lie to allow Tory governments to break the law. It seems VP is respected and expected to carry out the role rather than the politics. Both Patel and Braverman have ignored legal advice that they should use suitable accommodation for asylum seekers undergoing the claims process. We shall have to wait and see if this changes.

In the few days Grant Shapps was Home Secretary apparently, he was trying to sort the accommodation out.

Robert Jenrick, Minister for Education and an ally of Sunak's is, it is said, by-passing Braverman and starting to sort things out ... interesting if true. Perhaps Sunak will manage to isolate her but really, what a way to have to run a government. It seems like an attempt to move towards integrity but not really there because, once again, of the strangle hold of the ERG.