Braverman's behaviour in parliament today proves nothing has changed.

The Conservatives have broken our asylum system. 89,000 people have now been waiting more than 6 months for a decision.

As we’re seeing at Manston, that causes untold misery and wastes a huge amount of money.

We need a fair, effective system that treats everyone with dignity.

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DaisyAnne this was sent to people living in a council housing development. Mainly housing the elderly.

I think if I received this I would be permanently on edge and scared of every knock on the door.

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne this was sent to people living in a council housing development. Mainly housing the elderly.

I think if I received this I would be permanently on edge and scared of every knock on the door.

Exactly.

Not exactly helpful for the elderly, was it?

volver

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne this was sent to people living in a council housing development. Mainly housing the elderly.

I think if I received this I would be permanently on edge and scared of every knock on the door.

Exactly.

Not exactly helpful for the elderly, was it?

Maybe the author of that letter would be one public sector worker we could do without... (see the 'wages' thread)

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne this was sent to people living in a council housing development. Mainly housing the elderly.

I think if I received this I would be permanently on edge and scared of every knock on the door.

Do you know the development GrannyGravy?

I do not live in Kent, DaisyAnne

Whether or not I know the development is totally irrelevant.

LizzieDrip

I agree WW The whole issue has been politicised when it’s actually about human rights - not right / left politics. If asylum claims were dealt with more speedily, those who are eligible to stay would be able to start contributing to society (we have hundreds of thousands of job vacancies); and those found not eligible could quickly be returned to their country of origin. No need for long term residence in detention centres or hotels. I wish both parties would work together on this - it’s about human rights, not party politics.

Absolutely spot on Lizzie. It’s pathetic that they can’t speed things up and allow those who are eligible to get on and work which I’ll bet the majority want to do. We desperately need both skilled and unskilled workers. Carers, hospital workers, hospitality staff.

From my perspective, this letter would be a welcome warning if there had already been incidents with anyone trying to get into the house to steal items.Not sure why anyone is up in arms about it.
It certainly makes sense not to answer the door if you don’t know the person, and to answer it with the chain on.
Also to report any suspicious behaviour you see.

The failure to process these people in a timely manner is false economy. 4000 people in a camp where are they going to put them all.
Allowing people to work seems the obvious answer but do the majority have the funds to find themselves accommodation as they look for work. Social housing is in short supply already even for uk residents rental in some areas is also short as well as expensive.

GrannyGravy13

volver

GrannyGravy13

Is this any better?

OK, now I've read it it's an absolute f***ing disgrace.

I am going to guess it's written by the warden of similar of the residence, or at least someone pretending to be. Who in a position of responsibility, would seriously say to someone in sheltered housing, ring 999 if you see someone looking suspicious. Who tells them to tell their MP in these circumstances?

The lack of appropriate use of commas and lack of a coherent message tells me a lot about the person writing this letter.

It’s fromDover District Council’s Independent Living Manager (on their headed paper) the people receiving it, would in all probability be scared.

My concern is it should not be necessary to send it out in the first place.

Exactly! No way is that an official letter from the council. The writing style is illiterate. It's been written on council note paper, but is from some kind of warden manager with a fancy job title.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

volver

GrannyGravy13

Is this any better?

OK, now I've read it it's an absolute f***ing disgrace.

I am going to guess it's written by the warden of similar of the residence, or at least someone pretending to be. Who in a position of responsibility, would seriously say to someone in sheltered housing, ring 999 if you see someone looking suspicious. Who tells them to tell their MP in these circumstances?

The lack of appropriate use of commas and lack of a coherent message tells me a lot about the person writing this letter.

It’s fromDover District Council’s Independent Living Manager (on their headed paper) the people receiving it, would in all probability be scared.

My concern is it should not be necessary to send it out in the first place.

Exactly! No way is that an official letter from the council. The writing style is illiterate. It's been written on council note paper, but is from some kind of warden manager with a fancy job title.

In my opinion it’s whipping up fear and adding fuel to the flames to what is already a situation far from controlled.

I have nothing but sympathy for people fleeing from violence and oppression, they need to be processed (I really dislike that explanation) PDQ, so that those folks with genuine claims can work and support themselves and those who are here for ulterior motives can be repatriated.

Just read this online:

The letter, sent by an 'independent living manager' to tenants of the Sunny Corner home, has since been withdrawn after it was deemed to be "poorly communicated".

volver

Just read this online:

The letter, sent by an 'independent living manager' to tenants of the Sunny Corner home, has since been withdrawn after it was deemed to be "poorly communicated".

Rightly so.

Let’s hope that the damage that this may or may not have caused can be rectified.

Surely, since the letter was sent to a retirement/care home (I'm making an assumption from the name} then it should have been addressed to the Director/Manager of said facility and not to the individual residents.

I am in despair at what Braverman is doing and even more so at those people who support her.

I suspect her appointment was forced upon Sunak as a 'condition' of his being appointed PM, the ERG are a powerful group, and as we can see on a regrettable number of posts on here, they know which buttons to push, which stories to get out there to get people hating the 'others'. Not a lot different from all those stories in the 1930s about 'dirty Jews' manipulating the economy. My theory, for what it's worth, is that Braverman is letting this situation with migrants and asylum seekers build up as a massive powder keg until their is civil unrest and bloodshed. Then we can read all the Daily Mail and Express headlines, and listen to the unedifying 'told you so' from their supporters.

This vile administration was offered, by Macron, the opportunity to process applications in France, but it was turned down. We need to deal with these people quickly and efficiently, get them working and contributing if applicable, and sort out fast returns/deportations for Albanians with no reason to seek asylum. It's quite simple really.

Roger Gale, ( Conservative) MP for Thanet North, has been very clear that the problems at Manston are directly the result of decisions taken by the Home Secretary. He is a man of integrity. He probably feels a little lonely in his party just now.

(Just a footnote re "Albanians" as we are still waiting to see the debate around Braverman finish - there IS ethnic tension in the area, some confusions around Kosovans and Albanians
I couldn't find a more up to date reference than this, but just to add a ?? to any assumption that no "Albanians" may need asylum.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/62382069)

Just watching Braverman in HoC at the moment. Sitting there with her minders Jenrick and Baker whispering in her ear. John Redwood standing up and making a complete arse of himself.

Redwood is a horrible horrible person.

Dinahmo

Surely, since the letter was sent to a retirement/care home (I'm making an assumption from the name} then it should have been addressed to the Director/Manager of said facility and not to the individual residents.

It was sent by the manager of the retirement complex on council notepaper. It's unprofessional and badly written. All it's done is create fear.

volver

Just read this online:

The letter, sent by an 'independent living manager' to tenants of the Sunny Corner home, has since been withdrawn after it was deemed to be "poorly communicated".

Good! The person who wrote it was stirring up fear.

MayBee70

Redwood is a horrible horrible person.

Yes Redwood is a nasty bitter man who obviously has never got over failing to make it as PM. I was incensed by his announcement that he was speaking for all the people of Britain. Not speaking for me, pal.

And just as I was thinking about him up speaks Peter Bone. The way that some of these Conservative MP’s speak about asylum seekers just sums them up. There is a problem, we all know that. But the vitriol from the government benches is stomach turning.

…and didn’t they tell us that brexit would solve this problem?

Dinahmo

Surely, since the letter was sent to a retirement/care home (I'm making an assumption from the name} then it should have been addressed to the Director/Manager of said facility and not to the individual residents.

It is not a retirement/care home. It was a block of Independent Living flats. You can be anything from 55/60 upwards to live in these flats. Couples, men, women and a proportion of older (80?) live in them. The whole point is you can and do live in them "independently". I asked Granny Gravy if she knew the flats because she seemed to be painting this same biased way. It has suited people to paint them as elderly and frail, but I bet they aren't. Who thinks of 60 as elderly these days? Why can't they dial 999?

I imagine all this nonsense has achieved is the loss of some poor person's job. Bais destroys lives.