Braverman's behaviour in parliament today proves nothing has changed.

I watched the debate too with Ms Braverman. I knew she’d blame Labour at some point, even though the Tories have been power for 12 years. Then when I thought it couldn’t get any worse, up popped the lunatic right wing swivel-eyed fringe. Chope etc. These are the bunch who Sunak had to appease to become PM. One thing I have always found disturbing about Braverman is the fact she can’t seem to distinguish between economic migrants (Albanians) and those fleeing from war torn countries (Syria, Afghanistan). The woman has no empathy or humanity.

Bias bias

Tory MP sir Roger Gale tells the truth about Manston

news.sky.com/story/conservative-mp-sir-roger-gale-says-situation-at-manston-migrant-centre-a-breach-of-humane-conditions-12734816

Suella Braverman speaks fluent French. I’m hoping she and Macron and can work together well. Something different needs to be worked out because the present system is spinning out of control. I feel sorry for anyone living in Kent bearing the brunt of all this mismanagement.

At almost £7 million per DAY housing and sifting through the migrant claims I bet the average taxpayer hopes for a workable solution soon.

How did we ever get to this point? It’s crazy. We’ve become pretty much immune to the numbers now when we watch the rubber dinghies arriving daily. We seem powerless as a country to get a grip.

It's appalling. The worst is that it didn't need to be like this. There is a problem worldwide, and we have to to talk to other European countries to find solutions.

People may say Sunak should not have employed Braverman, but he won't have to sack her; she is working very hard at sacking herself. The irrational right is still trying to appeal to the brainless popularity trolls who are only at home on social media, but it will change.

My last post was in reply to varian.

From twitter:

Feel furious to hear that ... Braverman speaks fluent French after benefitting from studying in France on the Erasmus Scheme which she & her horrible Brexit have prevented our children & grandchildren from doing.

Suella Braverman had the opportunity to study in France as an Erasmus student, an opportunity denied to our children and grandchildren because of the disastrous brexit the she and her fellow ultra right wing ERG members promoted.

It’s no use Suella Braverman speaking French if she doesn’t speak sense, and she isn’t capable of doing that. She won’t be in post long enough to make any difference, hoist by her own petard.

Her fluent French is totally irrelevant. Macron speaks English and interpreters are always available. It’s what she says and does that matters not the language spoken.

I hope she goes. She is a thoroughly nasty and manipulative person. From the BJ administration willing to break law, manipulate. she is seriously scary and her connections in the ERG I believe going to lead us into attitudes that do not care for those in greatest need, our own deprived, disabled and sick.

Yes, I do recognise there are massive problems but I don't want Braverman solutions.

She is openly appealing to the worst anti-immigration feelings in the public. the backlog of asylum seekers have been accruing for years and years of inadequate processing as well as the total lack of being able to fast forward those who come who are trained in the very skills we need in our work force.

Maybe she is useful to Sunak for a bit as she can be the convenient "baddie" to do the dirty work.

www.facebook.com/watch?v=839640700563580

Suella Braverman is a barrister. She knows exactly how to use words. It's interesting that she said, today she "never ignored legal advice". That is not the same as following it.

Wyllow3

I hope she goes. She is a thoroughly nasty and manipulative person. From the BJ administration willing to break law, manipulate. she is seriously scary and her connections in the ERG I believe going to lead us into attitudes that do not care for those in greatest need, our own deprived, disabled and sick.

Yes, I do recognise there are massive problems but I don't want Braverman solutions.

She is openly appealing to the worst anti-immigration feelings in the public. the backlog of asylum seekers have been accruing for years and years of inadequate processing as well as the total lack of being able to fast forward those who come who are trained in the very skills we need in our work force.

Maybe she is useful to Sunak for a bit as she can be the convenient "baddie" to do the dirty work.

Listening to her today we could have been listening to pre-war comments about the Jews. The use of the word "invasion".

How can people not see what this group are or would they have supported such language, aimed at others, pre-war and during the war. Some had no alternative then but that is not the case now.

There is neither “illegal immigrants” nor is there an invasion.

What there is, -

People fleeing from war, famine and torture and arriving on our shores BY WHICHEVER ROUTE seeking asylum under the UN 1967 protocol, which all countries are signed up to.
It is an international agreement and law.

These people are legally entitled to seek asylum in their chosen country, which in this case happens to be the U.K.

Now if the government had acted with intelligence and empathy, it would have taken control of the situation from the beginning, instead of all the “othering” and nonsense rhetoric aimed at the unthinking.

Set up centres as offered by France and in France, providing sufficient staff etc.
Ensure all that asylum seekers who arrive on our shores by any other route are swiftly and sensibly appraised, giving sanctuary to refugees and returning those simply migrating for economic purposes, - although remember that is exactly why most of the those in the government of immigrant parentage arrived in the U.K.

None of this has happened and as a result the Tories are doing what they do best which is to waste tax payers money by forking out for hotel bills plus payments etc to the asylum seekers.

It is incompetence purely and simply.

However much those amongst us want all immigration to cease

It won’t. - ever. In fact it will almost certainly increase as war and climate change continues its ceaseless onslaught on the human race.

Unless we, as a country face this fact we will continue with the lies, rhetoric, and division alongside the appalling treatment of human beings, and never get control.

Good post WWM

In case anyone agrees with Braverman that the UK is being subject to an 'invasion' of what she (disgustingly) calls 'illegal migrants', they should understand that the numbers of refugees/asylum seekers coming to the UK have changed very little over the past 20 years.

What has happened is that the rate at which their applications for asylum are dealt with has slowed considerably over the past decade. As can be seen very clearly in the graphic. Tory cutbacks in public spending have resulted in a Home Office which is completely ineffective and inefficient.

This will never be sorted while they remain in office. It's even suggested that Braverman is deliberately exacerbating the problem in order to keep the racist anti-immigration voters close to the tory party...

From the Times

Would those on here be willing to accept there are ‘economic migrants’? Not all these men are fleeing war torn countries! That much we do know. Many Albanian men are coming over here to pursue nefarious lifestyle choices as has been verified by UK Border Force officials.

Urmstongran

Would those on here be willing to accept there are ‘economic migrants’? Not all these men are fleeing war torn countries! That much we do know. Many Albanian men are coming over here to pursue nefarious lifestyle choices as has been verified by UK Border Force officials.

So? Does that justify making families live in overcrowded conditions where there are outbreaks of deadly diseases?

Yes. But the point is if the processing were done competently then many economic migrants would not get in.

Good post MaizieD

But MaizieD surely when there were less thousands of migrants arriving daily in their rubber dinghies (the sizes of which have grown exponentially to accommodate the demand) it was easier back in the day to deal with all the necessary paperwork and checks? Now the numbers have increased (verified by numerous sources if you Google) the very least we need is so many more personnel to deal with their applications.

This whole situation is a shambles. The Times article confirms this situation is costing the UK taxpayers £7 million a DAY Lucca.

This cannot and should not be thought an acceptable way of spending our money. I’m horrified by the gross sums of money involved especially as Sunak announces today big increases in taxation is planned.

Good posts WWM and MaizieD. I emailed Roger Gale to applaud him as the voice of compassion and integrity. I said that he might feel somewhat alone in his party just now. He thanked me, but didn't respond to my second comment..

volver

Urmstongran

Would those on here be willing to accept there are ‘economic migrants’? Not all these men are fleeing war torn countries! That much we do know. Many Albanian men are coming over here to pursue nefarious lifestyle choices as has been verified by UK Border Force officials.

So? Does that justify making families live in overcrowded conditions where there are outbreaks of deadly diseases?

Not just overcrowded conditions but illegally detained there apparently. UK law apparently stipulates that they should only be there for 24 hours.

You are precisely the voter that Braverman is targeting, Ug. There are solutions available but they would involve the 'problem' fading into the background, which doesn't suit the tory agenda at all.