Sunak V Starmer

LizzieDrip

Sunak’s a liar. That’s it. The country has had more than enough of Tory MPs & PMs lying through their teeth to scam the British public.

Totally agree

Well doneMaizie 09.43 (or therabouts)

Fed up with "rabbit caught in headlines" . Think of something else please.

Katie590

maddyone

Well it mean that it would be difficult to maintain the current tax free allowance at the present rate then, or so it seems to me. Starmer didn’t refute that pensioners would have to pay tax though, although I’m a pensioner and I pay tax because I have a professional pension, so it seems to me, it’s not much change for pensioners whoever is in power.

There is a lot Starmer “could” do to hit high income/wealth people. He could abolish the extra IHT allowance that can be £900k, he could restrict State Pension above an income threshold. We already loose the personal allowance over a certain income.

Why give benefits to those that don’t need them?.

Because people have contributed towards the state pension and other benefits.

Shropshirelass

Yes. Kier Starmer was useless. He keeps saying they have a plan but no idea how to implement it nor how to pay for it. ‘When I was Crown Prosecutor’ , well he isn’t now and failed miserably in this debate. I thought Rishi was good. Clear on what his plans are and how to finance them. I also agree with National Service or Community Service for teens, will give some more of a sense of direction. Hope to God he gets in again and is allowed to finish the recovery he has started. It all takes time.

The Tories have been in power for 14 years. What have they done to improve the conditions for the majority of workers?

Sunak was Chancellor during covid. What did he do? Introduce Bonce Back Loans - many of which have not been and never will be repaid. Admittedly he introduced SEISS, but not everyone got that (more than one person here didn't receive it). The recipients paid income tax on the amounts received if over the PA.

Sunak has been PM for nearly 20 months. What has he done for the "hard working families across (or up and down - change at will) the country"

My answer to all the above - b----r all.

Don’t forget the “eat out to help out, in autumn 2020, which Sunak arrogantly pushed without any advise from the medical team, who were appalled at the scheme and reckoned Sunak was single-handedly responsible for many more suffering and dying from covid than would have been the case.

Have you seen the video of someone at a factory sunak visited, who asks why anyone should have faith, as he finds it hard since his mother died alone, of covid?
Her other son came to visit her but was given a penalty for breaking the rules.

He reminds sunak, saying "you probably remember that time, it's just about when you were having get togethers with other mps".

Sunak couldnt give a crap, that's glaringly obvious.
He blusters on about how they supported businesses, blah blah blah .

I’m not sure any of them care. It’s all about power.
I have no faith in any of them to do what I need to be done. They’ll all do something for those they want to help. It could be the rich they help, or it could be the poor. I’m neither rich nor poor. My need is medical and it’s not going to be sorted anytime soon, whoever wins on 4th July. I’m sitting here in pain, writing with my left hand because my right hand hurts too much to use it. Frankly I don’t care who wins because neither of them will do anything at all for me, or many others like me!

I thought it was pointless even doing the program before the manifestos have even been issued!!
Once we know what each party is offering to do when in power then we can drill down and ask the the more probing questions of how it will all be financed and implemented.
As it is, Keir Starmer knows how to use words that say exactly nothing and promise nothing - which given his former job he is well used to doing!! This is worrying as if he gets into power we won't know what he will do until he's actually in No.10 and then we are sitting ducks.
If (and this is very unlikely) we end up with a hung parliament then nothing will get done as each side will stubbornly veto the others so nothing changes anyway!!

I have total faith in the fact that Keir Starmer is in politics for the right reason.

I agree MayBee

I cannot believe that the LP would be so crass, so uncaring as to ignore the plight of the poorest in the country.

Although my health is not too good at the moment, I am still fairly comfortable. Pension poor so continuing to work aged 77. I'm lucky - sitting at a desk and doing something I enjoy and helping others whose work I enjoy.

I would like everyone to be able to work for a good reward, or get decent health or social care if necessary, good education and housing.

The majority of my friends and acquaintances are similar to me but better off. That majority are left centre and also want the same as me for others. Yet we are decried by many of the right for trying to achieve that aim - champagne socialists as we are described. What's so wrong with that?

I’m not quite (not even close!) to champagne socialist territory, but I’m fortunate enough to be doing okay, having grown up during a period when the state supported social mobility in dozens of ways, big and small, for those in a position to make the most of those opportunities.

But I know - and knew then - that not everyone was, and that now those doors are slammed and locked.

Therefore I always make my decision about how to vote by thinking of the most vulnerable people I know, and doing my damndest to elect a government that would help them.

Not close to champagne either. Prosecco or cava for me.

We all share the same time/era on this world and it is poor dos if we can’t care both for our world and each other whilst we are on this earth.

Wwm2. Not forgetting that no member of Starmer’s family is allowed to have life saving medical treatment paid for privately.
Presumably it’s okay for NHS funded treatment in a private hospital to go ahead?
High moral compass? Or something else? Something else I think.

ronib

*Wwm2*. Not forgetting that no member of Starmer’s family is allowed to have life saving medical treatment paid for privately.
Presumably it’s okay for NHS funded treatment in a private hospital to go ahead?
High moral compass? Or something else? Something else I think.

I’m not sure which of my posts you are answering?

But to reply to your post.

That is Starmer’s choice and he is free to do so.

Just as you are free to make your choice.

As far as I am aware, he is not prepared to take that choice away!

So choose away, you are very lucky to be able to afford to have that choice.

Most people don’t.

Wwm2 I was replying to your post about we all share one time etc.
I would not stop any family member from getting private health care.
I have not used private healthcare in my life.
We don’t operate a Mafia type family structure and we have no Dons saying what we can and can’t do in the naked pursuit of political ambition and power in our family.

I am totally unclear about what you are saying tbh.

You have no idea whether Starmer would prevent a member of his family seeking private medical care.

You post is ridiculous.

ronib

*Wwm2*. Not forgetting that no member of Starmer’s family is allowed to have life saving medical treatment paid for privately.
Presumably it’s okay for NHS funded treatment in a private hospital to go ahead?
High moral compass? Or something else? Something else I think.

I’m having surgery in our local private hospital, under an NHS referral in an attempt to reduce waiting lists. I wish our NHS hadn’t been so badly affected by the government and hope the Labour govt is elected and things slowly can begin to be re-built
Who knows whether Starmer would accept treatment in a private hospital in similar situations to me and thousands of others. I do believe Starmer has a decent moral compass, unlike Sunak and co

The priority will be to get people treated to reduce waiting lists. So many NHS beds have been closed under the Tory watch that I don’t see that using beds in private hospitals for NHS treatment in the short term is an issue. It’s a contract between the NHS and the private sector - but what is the alternative ronib, waving a magic wand to create more NHS staff to enable people to be treated in NHS hospitals in the same timescale? I think and hope Labour will be pragmatic and will continue to use the private sector to treat NHS patients until the NhS has the capacity it needs.

In 2011 Cameron made £20 BN worth of cuts to the NHS including reducing beds at a drastic rate.

This has continued year on year.

It is going to take an enormous effort to get the NHS back to its 2010 level let alone improve on that.

Another 5m was a accepted by Sunak from the man who said Dianne Abbott "should be shot", and has just come to light.

I see no reason why the NHS should not use private hospitals . It makes sense - but how often have we seen that criticised as ‘privatisation’?

It makes sense to me, and I've known a good few people who have had NHS treatment in private hospitals.

The only person I've known to object was my mums gp.