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What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 28-Jun-24 10:25:05

I’ve pinched this question from James O’Brian. And to me it is obvious, - they are fascists - talking about replacing the police with paramilitaries and bringing back the death penalty as well as shoot f….g immigrants has huge echoes of 1930s Germany.

So why would you vote for him?

Dickens Wed 03-Jul-24 19:34:03

maddyone posts...

Wyllow asylum seekers cannot do voluntary work because they need to be cleared as safe to be around other people. They would need a DBS check which would be impossible to achieve because many do not have documentation, or they come from countries that would not cooperate with the UK anyway. Are the Taliban going to give a reference for an Afghanistani or Iran for an Iranian? How would we know they were safe? It’s not so long since an Afghanistani threw acid in a young woman’s face. Whilst most won’t do this, how do we know who might or might not? That’s why they’re not allowed to do voluntary work.

I think that in an effort at rationality and reasonableness - people (I don't just mean the posters on here) are ignoring a fundamental principle of human nature, which is I believe part of the survival instinct, and that is - for want of a better word - vigilance, or maybe that inner sense that prompts people to be cautious.

If I'm not making much sense, let me put it this way. Violence against women by men is something we're all aware of. But, the majority of men do not attack women. The majority of women going about their daily lives will not suffer violence at the hands of a man. Yet - nearly all women are afraid, especially when out and about in the evening. If they're not afraid, they are cautious.

In a sense, the minority of men who assault women - make victims of us all, because of the perception we have, and because of the randomness of many of these attacks on women. Because we don't know if that man walking behind us along the street is one of the minority.

And I think this, in essence, is what is happening vis-à-vis immigrants who arrive via the boats. And I think that's maddyone's point. It does happen, it has happened - it's unpredictable, random - and that makes us wary, cautious, of immigrant males, some of whom originate from cultures which don't subscribe to our modern, Western social liberalism. It's unfortunate, unfair, and irrational to view all as potential attackers or rapists, but because of our perception that they might be - we are wary. We all become potential victims in theory.

The evil of Farage and some of the candidates standing for Reform, is that he and they play on these natural fears and insecurities in order to garner support.

And the other problem of course is that anyone who does take an intelligent and coherent approach to the issue, is regarded as a 'woke leftie' who ignores the wishes of the 'silent majority' and wants to welcome all immigrants with open arms.

That's where we're at, and I don't see much change in the future.

zakouma66 Wed 03-Jul-24 19:34:45

maddyone

zakouma66

*GNHQ deleted message*

Really not a reasoned argument.
Sad.

But your arguement wasn't reasonable? Why choose that person as an example? Do you honestly believe a DBS makes people safe? Really?

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 03-Jul-24 19:35:52

Agree absolutely Dickens.

growstuff Wed 03-Jul-24 19:38:56

maddyone

Additionally, there was only one Soham murderer school caretaker, but every single caretaker working in a school across the country, and every other person across the country who works in a school, needs a DBS!

It was pointless anyway.

It wouldn't have made any difference to the Soham murders. Ian Huntley didn't have access to those girls because he had access to them via his job. His girlfriend, who was the one who knew the girls, didn't have a criminal record.

Nobody is talking about allowing unchecked people to work with vulnerable people in, for example, schools or care settings.

maddyone Wed 03-Jul-24 19:39:15

I’m off to watch Corrie now smile

Iam64 Wed 03-Jul-24 19:39:55

Good post (again) Dickens
You nailed it

Oreo Wed 03-Jul-24 19:41:06

A DBS check means finding out if the person has a criminal record or is on the sex offenders list or has anything that an employer should know about.It doesn’t stop offending as we don’t know what a person will do but is a fair indicator .

Oreo Wed 03-Jul-24 19:42:10

maddyone

I’m off to watch Corrie now smile

Yeah, very sensible of you, and I must get ready for work.😃

growstuff Wed 03-Jul-24 19:42:41

Many crimes are "spent" after a few months or years and don't show up on a standard DBS check, which is all that is required for many jobs. Even if somebody has a minor conviction, an employer can ignore it if he/she doesn't think it will impact on the safety of clients.

Oreo Wed 03-Jul-24 19:44:27

Growstuff if the Head of the school had only known about Huntley’s past ( and he did check) he would never have appointed him to work in the primary school.

growstuff Wed 03-Jul-24 19:45:30

Oreo

A DBS check means finding out if the person has a criminal record or is on the sex offenders list or has anything that an employer should know about.It doesn’t stop offending as we don’t know what a person will do but is a fair indicator .

Not necessarily. There are two levels of DBS check. A standard DBS doesn't show "spent" convictions. Only an enhanced check shows "spent" convictions and those are only required for employees working with vulnerable people.

Oreo Wed 03-Jul-24 19:46:39

It also very much depends on the nature of the crimes.
We don’t need people working in many situations where a check on their past is impossible to carry out.

growstuff Wed 03-Jul-24 19:46:46

Oreo

Growstuff if the Head of the school had only known about Huntley’s past ( and he did check) he would never have appointed him to work in the primary school.

Probably not, but he would still have had access to those girls via his girlfriend. It was nothing to do with the school.

Oreo Wed 03-Jul-24 19:47:32

I know about DBS checks btw for my job.

growstuff Wed 03-Jul-24 19:47:55

Oreo

It also very much depends on the nature of the crimes.
We don’t need people working in many situations where a check on their past is impossible to carry out.

That's what I've been saying. Of course there are jobs where the employee's background needs to be squeaky clean, but there are others where it doesn't matter.

Oreo Wed 03-Jul-24 19:48:54

Give it up Growstuff on the Huntley situation.It was everything to do with the school and the school house he lived in.

growstuff Wed 03-Jul-24 19:49:02

Oreo

I know about DBS checks btw for my job.

And I knew about them for the job I did. I also know about the requirements for other jobs and the rules about "spent" convictions.

Oreo Wed 03-Jul-24 19:50:23

Yes I see from your posts you know just about everything 😂

growstuff Wed 03-Jul-24 19:51:24

Oreo

Give it up Growstuff on the Huntley situation.It was everything to do with the school and the school house he lived in.

How dare you? No, I won't give up. It was do with the fact that his girlfriend worked in the school where the girls were pupils. She didn't have any convictions. If Huntley was set to harm the girls, it wouldn't have mattered where he lived or where he worked.

growstuff Wed 03-Jul-24 19:51:49

Oreo

Yes I see from your posts you know just about everything 😂

Oh, I wish! hmm grin

zakouma66 Wed 03-Jul-24 19:55:37

Ha ha ha, oops Coronation Street nearly finished now. grin

Doodledog Wed 03-Jul-24 20:09:38

Mt61

Why do they need to get to Britain, after coming through all those countries- any particular reason? I woke up a long time ago, thanks very much

Maybe I'm still asleep, or just not 'woke enough', but I've never understood the 'first safe country' thing. It just feels like an abdication of responsibility to me.

If every refugee stayed in the first safe country they came upon, landlocked countries would take almost 100% of the immigrants and islands would get virtually none. Maybe we would get the odd one from Northern France, or Ireland, but what are the chances of that?

Apart from not wanting to do our share, is there any particular reason behind this way of thinking, please?

Doodledog Wed 03-Jul-24 20:12:39

Mt61

Kandinsky

Mt61

I wouldn’t waste your time talking sense on this board, they’d be happy if a 5000 illegals arrived by small boats every day. They think it’s a wonderful thing. hmm

They haven’t got the foresight to realise the consequences

They?

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 03-Jul-24 20:16:28

Hmm, so Reform's " autistic people are vegetables " charmer also referred to a woman who disagreed woth him as a " thick moron" and told her " not to breed".
Referring back to the question posed by the OP, I wonder how low Mr Farage's selection process set the bar for acceptance?
He has not been de- selected and will be standing for Reform tomorrow.
Would any Reform supporters care to comment on this?

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 03-Jul-24 20:19:55

Sorry- correction- he called the woman an "offensive thick moron"