Riots in Southport

Macadia

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How would closing any borders have stopped this attack? You seem to have fallen for the lie that the attacker is foreign.

The problem with withholding information is that it makes people think there is something to hide and a certain element will always twist things to fit their own agendas. It is also quite patronising. It might be better if they had said outright that the kid had mental health problems or whatever rather than leave it open to speculation. It is always better to tell the truth. After that loony killer in Sydney they came clean and gave out details and there was no rioting whatsoever, only grief and sympathy for the bereaved.

nanna8

The problem with withholding information is that it makes people think there is something to hide and a certain element will always twist things to fit their own agendas. It is also quite patronising. It might be better if they had said outright that the kid had mental health problems or whatever rather than leave it open to speculation. It is always better to tell the truth. After that loony killer in Sydney they came clean and gave out details and there was no rioting whatsoever, only grief and sympathy for the bereaved.

Information is being withheld because he's under 18 and in the UK, even those who are "caught in the act" of a crime are innocent until proved guilty and have a right to some privacy.

Even if his name were public, there is still no justification for the riot in Southport directed at the police. We do not live in a vigilante society. In any case, three little girls have died and it shows absolutely no respect for the family and friends to increase the trauma even more.

The rioters are thugs and have no more right to know the name of the attacker than anybody else.

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Why does the public need to know?

Bloody EDL,what the hell is the matter with them, rent a mob, demonstrating outside a mosque. They loot, they destroy, they commit violence. They are thugs.
Social media paid a part as well. What don't these thickos understand that they cannot name the knifeman as he is underage. These idiots were wound up by social media. Talk about goad the ignorant.
My thoughts are with all the parents of the children and the dignified dignified people at the vigil in Southport.

growstuff

Why does the public need to know?

Because that might prevent these rumours and therefore these indiscriminate riots, aimed at the wrong targets.

16 is seemingly being considered as old enough to vote.

Old enough to carry out seemingly premeditated murders of small children, old enough to be named.

Mine are also with the police officers who have had to deal with this. Some of them were first responders to the scene on Monday. Instead of being able to take time out to try to come to terms with what they witnessed and dealt with then, they had to go back on duty to support their colleagues against these thugs.

Thirty-nine police officers have been injured after unrest broke out in Southport hours after a vigil took place to remember the victims of a knife attack in which three children were killed, the North West Ambulance Service said.

Earlier, Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion.

Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as some suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them.

Callistemon213

growstuff

Why does the public need to know?

Because that might prevent these rumours and therefore these indiscriminate riots, aimed at the wrong targets.

16 is seemingly being considered as old enough to vote.

Old enough to carry out seemingly premeditated murders of small children, old enough to be named.

Maybe people should have learnt by now not to listen to unsubstantiated rumours. Maybe the law about disclosing identities of minors should be changed, but in this case the law is being followed. I really don't see that it's in the public interest to know.

eazybee

Rondoallature
Hard common sense. I applaud you.

I notice the thread about the murders yesterday has disappeared. Is this because of all the wild speculation being posted about the identity of the perpetrator?

Its disappeared because whoever keeps an eye on this site thought is was inflammatory and offensive.

I hope they have been caught and get the proper sentences. I was going to say get the punishment they deserve but that is not likely to happen, unfortunately as that descends to their level.

The more I think about this incident, the more I think it doesn't have much to do with the identity of the murderer. The EDL attacked a mosque because they knew the police would turn up and they then had an opportunity to attack the police - all directed by Tommy Robinson from Spain.

OldFrill

Very shortly after the dreadful incident people were spreading misinformation for their own ends, to invent an excuse to promote their racist agenda and violence. It was SO obvious yet even on Gransnet misinformation was being reposted with the insistence it was true. It is absolutely disgusting. Now is the time for respect, not violence, false accusations, thuggery - idle speculation and abhorrent gossip. The poor children of Southport must be trembling in their beds with fear.
Every thug at that mosque tonight should be eradicated from this earth. Every person spreading false rumours, whether intentional or blindly, should be held to account.
Bless the families, the children, our first responders and all those who hold truth dear.

A very moving post. It's so desperately sad.

growstuff

Callistemon213

growstuff

Why does the public need to know?

Because that might prevent these rumours and therefore these indiscriminate riots, aimed at the wrong targets.

16 is seemingly being considered as old enough to vote.

Old enough to carry out seemingly premeditated murders of small children, old enough to be named.

Maybe people should have learnt by now not to listen to unsubstantiated rumours. Maybe the law about disclosing identities of minors should be changed, but in this case the law is being followed. I really don't see that it's in the public interest to know.

Maybe people should have learnt by now not to listen to unsubstantiated rumours

Most people don't growstuff
But thugs such as EDL only need the slightest excuse. Why should we give them any by protecting this murderer who was caught in the act?

growstuff

The more I think about this incident, the more I think it doesn't have much to do with the identity of the murderer. The EDL attacked a mosque because they knew the police would turn up and they then had an opportunity to attack the police - all directed by Tommy Robinson from Spain.

Why is he in Spain and not in prison?
He's an anarchist and incites riots.

I wish you were right Callistemon213, but I don’t these days. The influence of social media is so pervasive that even on Gransnet almost every day we see posts which aren’t based on fact about issues. It seems to be at its worst where there is a tragedy, people believe other peoples lies all the time, and pass them on.

Growstuff thank you for pointing out the foolishness in my post. Perhaps in my anger I was wishing for a different decade when these tragedies were uncommon. Foreign or not, mental illness will affect anyone. My post was hasty and ignorant. Thank you for helping me see this.

Casdon

I wish you were right Callistemon213, but I don’t these days. The influence of social media is so pervasive that even on Gransnet almost every day we see posts which aren’t based on fact about issues. It seems to be at its worst where there is a tragedy, people believe other peoples lies all the time, and pass them on.

Because it makes them feel good, superior and is a channel for their anger.

Do you remember years ago a Paediatrician was beaten up as the perpetrators confused Paediatrician with paedophile?

Casdon

I wish you were right Callistemon213, but I don’t these days. The influence of social media is so pervasive that even on Gransnet almost every day we see posts which aren’t based on fact about issues. It seems to be at its worst where there is a tragedy, people believe other peoples lies all the time, and pass them on.

You are right, I think.
The speculative thread on here got deleted but much on social media does not.

Callistemon213

growstuff

The more I think about this incident, the more I think it doesn't have much to do with the identity of the murderer. The EDL attacked a mosque because they knew the police would turn up and they then had an opportunity to attack the police - all directed by Tommy Robinson from Spain.

Why is he in Spain and not in prison?
He's an anarchist and incites riots.

Because he skipped bail. He was due in court on Monday/Tuesday (not sure which) and decided not to turn up. It doesn't say much about the communications between the police and passport control.

I was not talking about naming the kid, for goodness sake. No civilised country would do that. Just background info so they don’t make stuff up to suit their disgusting agendas!

Disgusting behaviour by thugs last night in Southport.

Our Emergency Services one day dealing with a horrific attack on children the next being under attack by Neanderthals!

I hope that whoever released the photo of the suspected child killer on social media at the point of his arrest will be cautioned/charged as some of the blame is surely their’s.

Cadeby

Casdon

I wish you were right Callistemon213, but I don’t these days. The influence of social media is so pervasive that even on Gransnet almost every day we see posts which aren’t based on fact about issues. It seems to be at its worst where there is a tragedy, people believe other peoples lies all the time, and pass them on.

Because it makes them feel good, superior and is a channel for their anger.

Do you remember years ago a Paediatrician was beaten up as the perpetrators confused Paediatrician with paedophile?

That story took on a life of its own too.
The truth was, according to this BBC website, somewhat different.
www.google.com/search?q=bbc+hi+magazine&oq=bbc+hi+magazine&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg8MgYIAhBFGDzSAQg0ODYxajBqOKgCC7ACAQ&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Summerlove ignore my post. Obviously, I'm not thinking rationally.

He lives in Spain, which he is able to do because he has an Irish passport.