Israel to Conquer Gaza part 2.

The Pro Palestinian activists aboard the boat knew that Israel would intercept them.There they all are including little Greta having a whale of a time doing what she enjoys, swathed in the black and white checked Palestinian scarves and claiming to be kidnapped.The Israelis will now show them what being kidnapped was on October 7th by Palestinians and see how they like that.
Given sandwiches, shown the massacre footage and then sent home.

what do you like about the way the current regime is handling the conflict, Annie? There must be pluses and yes are open to hearing about them for balance here.

I doubt whether showing a horrific video of the attack on Israel will change anyone's mind about the horrific genocide of the Palestinian people.
I doubt they will show a video of the carnage they have caused in Gaza.

Hamas has shown many videos of Gaza.

Showing the video of the attack on Israel will not changed the
views of the Hamas supporters in the boat

Everyone who is outraged by what is happening in Gaza is not a Hamas supporter.

Who does this boat belong to and where did it come from? I think Annie's 'publicity stunt' goes too far, but I do think the protesters on it are naive. They can achieve nothing and IMO the situation is far too serious for gestures.

I spoke of the activists with Greta Thunberg who Israel wants to show the video to

Oreo

The Pro Palestinian activists aboard the boat knew that Israel would intercept them.There they all are including little Greta having a whale of a time doing what she enjoys, swathed in the black and white checked Palestinian scarves and claiming to be kidnapped.The Israelis will now show them what being kidnapped was on October 7th by Palestinians and see how they like that.
Given sandwiches, shown the massacre footage and then sent home.

They are just an unnecessary distraction.
We know what has happened and is happening.

All of it is abhorrent.

Quote winterwhite Mon 09-Jun-25 10:42:53
Who does this boat belong to and where did it come from? I think Annie's 'publicity stunt' goes too far, but I do think the protesters on it are naive. They can achieve nothing and IMO the situation is far too serious for gestures.

Naive, they truly thought they could feed the people of Gaza,
they truly believed they could stop the war ?

The excuse given ‘they are drawing attention of the world , the world didn’t know ?

Annie, by 'naive' I just meant naive in thinking they could achieve anything at all.
I still don't know where the boat started from or who owns it.

Winterwhite. surely they knew their boat would be stopped,
several were close to Hamas, Greta I don’t know, was she used ?
yet her speeches were so antisemitic, her true beliefs ?

Could you please quote what she said that is 'antisemitic' Annie.

Claremont

Could you please quote what she said that is 'antisemitic' Annie.

Many times, Claremont.
She has appeared with a toy octopus, she does not just denounce the Israeli Government but shouts f**k Israel at rallies and has been labelled anti-semite of the week. She has been accused, not of just calling out what Netanyahu is doing but condemning all Israel.

Rather than consciously anti-semitic, I think she is rather a naïve young woman who is being used by others yet again to promote a cause.

Ah, its s different between my generation and Thunberg's.

My childhood was full (political parents) of learning about what had happened in world War 2, parents supporting settlers over here, the idealism of the early Kibbutz, the horrid of anti semitism.

I didn't have any reservations until I was at Uni which coincided with the beginning of Israeli's settling in Gaza and I recall marches at Uni who included students from Israel also idealistic and opposing settlements .

In fact I knew, in my college, Julia Neuberger, who was to become second woman to be ordained as a rabbi in the UK and the first to lead a synagogue and now a baroness and interesting listening to her. she was clearly destined for big things even then and was already wise enough not to say too much,

but she has since become a spokeswoman for the Progressive Jewish Movement, and this is where they stand on the conflict:

Progressive Jewish clergy, including rabbis and cantors, have issued statements expressing their views on the conflict in Gaza, ^emphasizing a commitment to a two-state solution and the need for peace and security for both Israelis and Palestinians^

They have also condemned violence and the suffering caused by the war, advocating for the release of hostages and an end to the bloodshed

So my journey like hers moved towards being prepared to be critical of a regime, not Israel as a whole, whilst being wholeheartedly anti-semitic - becuase of what I learnt so many years ago.

I don't think this sort of lived knowledge can be handed on by books and its no suppose to me that young people do not understand the past, even if "informed" of the atrocities. I think we have to work with this.

And it's all about being informed, isnt it? with no journalist allowed, hw can it be done? this is a deliberate suppression of attempts to find information so we can form opinions.

Surely she had heard of antisemitism, yet we know denying the
Holocaust is growing , and her friends on the boat !

'anti-semite of the week', just wondering who has given her that label, if the information is available?

And yes, much of the world knows about Gaza and the genocide, but who is doing anything to help?
That small boat, with its tiny much-mocked amount of aid, is bringing more food to Gaza than anyone else has in the past few hours.

I'm not going to try to defend Thunberg, she is such a marmite character for so many people isnt she. I think she will be heard by some very strongly, but I too feel that in a position of responsibility she should be moderate as it does no one good to veer to extremes. but she's autistic and that is often characteristic, seeing things in black and white terms.

So I think her boat trip will mean different things to different people - and I dont know.

But be very aware - there are people busy at work suggesting she is very anti semitic, who have actually for example altered an image so she is holding an anti semtic book - this by an actual Reuters Fact check

"An image of Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg holding an antisemitic book is altered.

The original unaltered photograph shows Thunberg holding her book on climate change

The altered selfie shows Thunberg holding a book by 16th-century German theologian Martin Luther titled, “On the Jews and their Lies

See where I'm going? I'm suggesting that its not quite all it seems

www.reuters.com/fact-check/altered-image-greta-thunberg-holding-antisemitic-book-2023-11-29/

Wyllow one doesn’t learn racism from books , one is taught often by family

Maremia she earned the label

Yes Wyllow3, there has been quite a 'cultural' (can't think of a more approriate word at the moment) shift from the euphoria of the 1960's film 'Exodus' with Paul Newman, and the beautiful theme song.

From whom Annieb? Is there a source?

Is it that faked photo that Wyllow3 is talking about?

Check out the Reuters article. Theydon show the faked photo or the original one but describe them both in detail. It's a really nasty bit of propaganda.

Well... we don't know what she learnt from her family, do we?
(that would take more research, and I'm tired!)

Anniebach

Surely she had heard of antisemitism, yet we know denying the
Holocaust is growing , and her friends on the boat !

So sorry, but this sentence makes no sense at all. Has she ever denied the Holocaust? You truly need to show evidence of that. As for strongly criticising Netanyahu, the IDF and this genocide, as well as those who support it, is NOT, and has never been, antisemitic.

BTW Palestinians are Semites, by definition.

Wyllow with respect, I don’t hold the same trust in the printed page as you