Labours one in one out migrant policy

MayBee70

Can’t help but feel that some people don’t actually want any of these measures to work and seem positively gleeful when things go wrong .

Not me. Sheer frustration and exasperation at the incompetence thus far.

Sounds like the Hokey Cokey.

You put your right leg in, you pull your right leg out, in, out, in, out and shake it all about

Any ne with half a brain cell could foresee that this is what would happen. Pity the Labour party combined cannot rustle up even half a brain cell.

Read the Labour Manifesto, It says:

Launch a new Border Security Command with hundreds of new specialist investigators and use counter-terror powers to smash criminal boat gangs.

labour.org.uk/change/first-steps-for-change/

The Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill was introduced into Parliament on 30 January 2025.

bills.parliament.uk/publications/62877/documents/7140

The bill (now standing at 98 pages) has been through various stages of legislative review in both the Commons and Lords, with discussions and committee stages throughout February, March, June, and July of 2025. It is now in the House of Lords at the Report Stage.

bills.parliament.uk/bills/3929

As I said before, these things take time.

The Rwanda plan had stalled. Just days before Sunak called the election, spokesperson, Yolanda Makolo for the Rwandan government was interviewed by Laura Kuennsberg. She said her government had only agreed to accommodate 200 deportees not the tens of thousands Sunak claimed.

That charade cost £700 million, £290 million going to Rwanda.

That same accommodation is now being used for deportees from the USA. Rwanda has agreed to take only 250 people.

In other words, they were never going to take the numbers Sunak claimed. Why do you think he called the election when he did? The Tory term of office had another six months to run. He knew the scheme was doomed to fail. Labour was right to scrap it.

Labours one in one out migrant policy

It is such a facile soundbite it's quite ridiculous.

'One in one out' would rely on the premise that for every asylum seeker who deserves refugee status, there is another who does not and should be deported.

You are misundertanding what it means,

The UK-France treaty, which came into force on 6 August 2025 allows the UK to detain and rapidly remove people who enter illegally via small boats, blocking their access to the UK asylum system and drastically reducing dependence on costly hotel accommodation. In return, the UK will accept an equal number of migrants through a newly established safe and legal route – subject to rigorous documentation, eligibility, and security checks.

www.gov.uk/government/news/first-small-boat-migrant-returned-under-new-uk-france-agreement

MayBee70

Can’t help but feel that some people don’t actually want any of these measures to work and seem positively gleeful when things go wrong .

But none of them are working, that’s the point!

Rwanda, military bases, barges, hotels, HMO, ….

No one seems to have the answer to the problem, and it is a problem.

You are misundertanding what it means

I know a facile soundbite when I hear one.

All Governments use them.

So, what you are saying PaynesGrey is that the Labour Government is taking actual real steps to tackle the situation?
They are doing it now.
Would some Posters prefer they wait 14 years and do nothing useful?

I read French newspapers daily.
Today a couple of them are saying that Keir Starmer is trying en vain to make this work!
And they're actually part of the scheme.

Maremia

So, what you are saying PaynesGrey is that the Labour Government is taking actual real steps to tackle the situation?
They are doing it now.
Would some Posters prefer they wait 14 years and do nothing useful?

Yes. Considering Labour was elected in a snap election, just three weeks before summer recess (30 July 2024 to 2 September 2024).

After summer recess, business is further disrupted by party conference season. Things don’t really get under way until October but soon followed by Christmas recess (19 December 2024, to 6 January 2025).

Bills are actually drafted by the Office of the Parliamentary Counsel, government lawyers who specialise in drafting legislation. They work closely with departments to translate policy into clear, effective and readable law.

All things considered, the government did well to get what is a very complex bill drafted and presented to Parliament by the end of January 2025. Now it’s with the Lords.

There’s still a long way to go. Commentators suggest it could become law in summer 2026.

I'm not sure how au fait the public is with the process, perhaps blinded by Reform promises. We will do this in the first 100 days. We will do that in the first 100 days. No they won't because the Parliamentary process doesn't allow it for complex matters where proper debate and scrutiny is essential. Secondary legislation is a way to short cut process but can still be annulled if there's no support in the Lords.

Good for Labour.

Sago

Oh dear Lord.

One in: One Out: One Back In Again ....

In out: in out : shake it all about ......🎶🎶🎼🎼

Am I the eightieth person to have said this ????
🤣🤣🤣

Cath9

Excuse I didn’t notice you had also added a topic on this matter.
As I mentioned I do hope the law that all who will be allowed to remain in the uk must speak an A level in English

None of my traditionally British family have an A level in english... I suppose it could be useful, they could write a best-seller about their life as a small-boat migrant?

Try The Lightless Sky

Gulwali Passarlay.

I read that memoir last year.

It impressed upon me how ‘Smash the Gangs’ can never work.
The head of the Hydra came to mind.
And how intricate ‘payments for passages’ are organised - down at the local Asian corner shop if so designated.

This will never end without a viable deterrent. People trafficking is an extremely lucrative business.

valdavi

Cath9

Excuse I didn’t notice you had also added a topic on this matter.
As I mentioned I do hope the law that all who will be allowed to remain in the uk must speak an A level in English

None of my traditionally British family have an A level in english... I suppose it could be useful, they could write a best-seller about their life as a small-boat migrant?

Well, I'm not sure that 'A' level English should be pre-requisite as many British people do not have 'A' level English and it is beyond the scope of everyday conversation.

Of course, a basic level of English is required for many jobs and, as immigrants are, presumably, hoping to work, that could be a requirement.
Would there be free classes or would they require an immigrant to pass an English examination before entering the UK?

With AI, it is often difficult to assess a candidate's true ability now unless it is a written examination under personal examination conditions or an oral examination.

I've read that the whole business of encouraging migration was started by the Blair Govt. with the aim of creating a new population of Labour voters. Well, possibly. Whatever the intention, it's turned out more like The Sorcerer's Apprentice - out of control and terrifying.

Which bit, in particular, is out of control?
The boats, or planned immigration?

Dear Maremia, Thank you for your question.
If the immigration was planned, then it was managed so badly it went out of control. The boats would appear to be a symptom of what can go wrong from bad planning. Do you have views on the subject?

Oh well that’s where they probably got half the fair to come back 😳

Mt61

Oh well that’s where they probably got half the fair to come back 😳

Dorisdodar

Maremia

Which bit, in particular, is out of control?
The boats, or planned immigration?

All of it

Maremia

So, what you are saying PaynesGrey is that the Labour Government is taking actual real steps to tackle the situation?
They are doing it now.
Would some Posters prefer they wait 14 years and do nothing useful?

No do something, they might achieve something by year fourteen, if they manage to stay in power

PaynesGrey

This was a hastily introduced policy that relies on a chaotic French government to implement.

Dominic Casciani on BBC News last night, explained a little about the legislation that’s currently before Parliament for collaboration between UK, French and German border forces.

Watch from around 4 minutes in here:

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002l4cr/bbc-news-at-ten-22102025

This isn’t an issue than can be resolved quickly. Whatever Reform say, they would encounter the same problems.

Remember, Farage rowed back on saying he would have it sorted within two weeks of coming to power, saying instead, two weeks from legislation being passed. The kinds of changse they have suggested would be unlikely to get through Parliament in a term of office even if a Reform goverment lasted that long, which, looking at the shambles in Kent CC under LInden Kemkaran, wouldn’t be long.

We all know the issues here. The UK left the EU and put itself outside of Dubin III. The UK now has to rebuild cooperation and a legal framework with other European nations. It can’t be done overnight with sticky tape.

I have just read an account by someone who worked trying to send back illegal immigrants before Brexit happened. She said it was difficult as they all claimed not to know which country they had come from as it was dark when they travelled.