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As an agnostic

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Cindersdad Tue 25-Dec-18 07:20:26

Like many I'm not sure if there is a God or not and find it impossible to have a faith as such. However I do take not of the words from the Pope and other faith leaders. The Pope's recent words on scaling back materialism make a lot of sense, thw world's resources should be used more wisely and shared more fairly.

Cultures need to be respected which is why I cannot comprehend extremism in any faith. Currently Islam extremism is doing unbelievable harm though in the past other religions have shown contempt for humanity by asserting their own exclusive monopolies to the truth.

This morning it was heartening to see the New Bishop of London in St. Paul's Cathedral and even more heartening to learn that her compassion and faith stemmed from a previous career in nursing. This got me thinking that preachers are generally better if they have worked outside the church before becoming part of it.

If there is a God then God will judge us as individuals not by our belief in God but by the way we treat our fellow man, living creatures and the planet. Politicians would do well to remember that

Jalima1108 Tue 01-Jan-19 18:02:04

As I've said before,
I'm so sorry, I didn't remember that.

GabriellaG54 Tue 01-Jan-19 18:07:10

holdingontometeeth
NO
I do everything on my phone and there is no copy/paste facility and, even if there was, I have never copy/pasted anything in my life and not about to start now.
The word 'Reader (I married him)' was used by Charlotte Brontë in Jane Eyre and I thought it appropriate to use as we on GN are all readers. smile

GabriellaG54 Tue 01-Jan-19 18:19:28

I'm never likely to know, but it would IMO, be really funny (to me) if one of my fate (fan/hate) group on GN has been the recipient of my blood.
As a prolific donor over 40 years, who knows where it's gone...shockwink
It doesn't bear thinking about...does it hmm

holdingontometeeth Tue 01-Jan-19 18:20:07

anniebach
Perhaps Roberto Calvi would have been able to answer your question.

Anniebach Tue 01-Jan-19 18:21:19

But .luckygirl you judge harshly. I was asked to leave a group in the eighties when the AIDS fear was gripping the country, and I mean fear in kind, caring people not rampant homophobs , do you not remember it? I objected strongly to people who so feared AIDS they fear drinking from the same chalice as gays, these people were not evil, they were filled with fear , not forgetting hospital staff were fearful too. I was a member of the church you condemn and the clergy supported me.

Doodle Tue 01-Jan-19 18:25:27

gabriella thank you. Everything now clarified. We obviously have a different understanding of the word respect.

Luckygirl Tue 01-Jan-19 18:28:37

All understandable annie - they were/are indeed human. This is very different from the institutionalised debarring of women and debasement of homosexuals.

Luckygirl Tue 01-Jan-19 18:29:18

And let us not even visit the crusades and Ireland!

mumofmadboys Tue 01-Jan-19 18:40:51

What a very strange comment Gabriella! If I don't like some of your comments it doesn't mean I hate you. Not at all. I don't even know you.

Anniebach Tue 01-Jan-19 18:43:01

doubt there is anyone alive today who could be held responsible for The Crusades

trisher Tue 01-Jan-19 18:58:07

Race memory is a powerful thing though. There was no one alive who could be held responsible for Cromwell's actions, and the over running and settlement of Ireland, in 1916, but a group still rose in rebellion. Just as the Islamic extremists see the Gulf War and Afghanistan as modern day crusades and believe they have to fight Westerners.

GabriellaG54 Tue 01-Jan-19 19:29:47

MOMB
Oh! I don't think it's an odd comment but then,that's just my skewed thinking.
For sure, I wouldn't want anyone elses blood in me and I'm sure there are at least some who wouldn't relish the idea. It might mean that their attitude might become somewhat similar to mine...winkgrin
There have been organ transplants where the recipient's tastes in food, talents and even language has changed.

mumofmadboys Tue 01-Jan-19 19:35:52

I have had a large blood transfusion when I nearly bled to death after childbirth. I had 15 units, likely from 15 different donors ,and very grateful and thankful I was for it too. I didn't notice any permanent change in my attitudes following it....

Jalima1108 Tue 01-Jan-19 20:27:32

^ I didn't notice any permanent change in my attitudes following it.^
Obviously you didn't receive any from Gabriella then, mumofmadboys

mumofmadboys Tue 01-Jan-19 20:28:39

!!

Jalima1108 Tue 01-Jan-19 20:48:02

smile

GabriellaG54 Tue 01-Jan-19 21:19:57

I like that nowadays, they text to say which hospital it was sent to. Lpast August lot went to QE in Birmingham and due to donate again in 2 weeks.

GabriellaG54 Tue 01-Jan-19 21:21:11

*Lpast last.

Jalima1108 Wed 02-Jan-19 14:52:03

That must be something new then GabriellaG54
Interesting to know what happens to it after donation.

DD used to work for the Blood and Transplant service and quite a lot happens to donated blood before it is sent on its way to wherever it is needed.

They must be desperate for yours - are you an unusual blood type? Most donors have to give up by the age of 70 so well done.

Anniebach Wed 02-Jan-19 15:13:11

Sorry but this now reminds me of Hancocks ‘The Blood Donor’ when he kept checking if his blood had been used ?

GabriellaG54 Wed 02-Jan-19 16:06:10

Jalima1108
You are either misinformed or not up to date with the blood service services.
Receiving texts re where your donation goes is not a very new idea but one starred about 3 years ago.
As for not being able to donate beyond the age of 70. You can continue to donate blood for as long as your health permits, ie: you fulfil the criteria on the form you fill in each time you donate and the oral questions must be answered satisfactorily when interviewed by the nurse who takes your blood sample (for iron levels).
Past the age of 70, you must have donated within the previous 24 months.
I donate as often as permitted which, for women, is every 16 weeks ie: 3 times a year. You can't donate for the 12 months following pregnancy either.
I have a common blood group which can be donated to most people. It takes about an hour but only 4 minutes for my actual blood to be taken as I am a particularly 'fast' donor...the flow is good.
Every little helps. grin
I've been donating since I was 21.
I hope that makes things clearer. smile

GabriellaG54 Wed 02-Jan-19 16:09:54

* started not starred

Luckygirl Wed 02-Jan-19 16:24:50

I used to go to donate blood, but they always refused it. I gave up in the end.

The crusades are an example of the evil that can be wrought in the name of religion - no suggestion that anyone currently on Gransnet took part! grin But that desire to convert the whole world to one's own religion is not unknown to this century; and it would seem that it justifies any number of atrocities.

Anniebach Wed 02-Jan-19 17:31:18

In the name of religion ? I have a problem with this , it is used so often . Anyone can do wrong in the name of religion, All police officers take an oath

I, ... of ... do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.

Alexa Wed 02-Jan-19 17:36:12

Quotation via Anniebach worth repeating:

The Book of Micah tells us

‘ he hath shown thee oh man what is good and what doth the Lord require of thee ‘ but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God’.