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Who is Netanyahu's God?

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Caleo Sun 29-Oct-23 12:32:49

Netanyahu is a religious conservative (BBC). He is also an Israeli nationalist who has made Israel an Apartheid nation.

Judaism varies among religious Jews. As does Islam and Christianity.

Magsymoo Thu 28-Dec-23 15:30:32

Most wars are about power not religion. You

maddyone Fri 29-Dec-23 09:27:39

I think this war is partly about land, but I also think it’s about retribution from the Israelis for 7/10.

Fleurpepper Fri 29-Dec-23 09:31:28

How naive. 7/10 was the excuse they have been waiting for- and for a long time.

maddyone Fri 29-Dec-23 09:35:15

I don’t think we know that Fleurpepper. That’s an opinion which maybe correct, but may not be correct.

growstuff Fri 29-Dec-23 09:48:36

I agree with Fleurpepper. Just as violation of Belgian neutrality was the official reason the UK declared war on Germany, while war had been brewing for years.

Katie59 Fri 29-Dec-23 10:05:26

Netanyahu believes in the right of the Jews to occupy Israel, nothing to do with religion. Hamas believes that all Jews should be driven out, there is no middle ground

Glorianny Fri 29-Dec-23 10:14:14

Of course 7/10 was the excuse. Why else has Israel been stockpiling weapons? You don't declare war on a whim you have to be prepared for it.

I think it's fair enough to say that Netanyahu's god is probably the god of the Old Testament. A god who demands vengeance and retribution "an eye for an eye"
The Allah of some Muslims is a similar power.
The Christian god was the same at one time (and for some fundamentalists still is).
Hatred and discrimination are not the preserve of one religion.

Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people has been unacceptable for a long time. And there are many reports of Palestinian women being raped by Israelis, soldiers, police and interrogators. Sometimes when the women were simply visiting male relatives in prison.

annodomini Fri 29-Dec-23 10:22:44

In Hebrew law, 'an eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth' means that the compensation must be no more than the loss. The Israeli revenge for the October 7th massacre by Hamas has now far exceeded that principle. I doubt that Netanyahu cares one iota.

merlotgran Fri 29-Dec-23 10:25:07

Of course 7/10 was the excuse. Why else has Israel been stockpiling weapons? You don't declare war on a whim you have to be prepared for it

Israel has been prepared for war since its creation in 1948. I doubt they have ever reduced their ‘stockpile’ of weapons.

Their army is called a defence force. Bit of a clue there don’t you think?

growstuff Fri 29-Dec-23 10:31:29

Katie59

Netanyahu believes in the right of the Jews to occupy Israel, nothing to do with religion. Hamas believes that all Jews should be driven out, there is no middle ground

Recent announcements and interviews on Israeli TV make it clear that Israel wants to drive Palestinians out of Gaza and possibly the West Bank.

growstuff Fri 29-Dec-23 10:33:14

The US has a massive stockpile of weapons situated in Israel. Apparently, Biden is moving to give Israel access to it.

nanna8 Fri 29-Dec-23 10:45:01

I thought there was a commandment, ‘Thou shalt not Kill,’ part of the Mosaic Law given to the Jewish people. Biden is beyond the pale as far as I’m concerned, he has a vested interest in weaponry. Look at his son. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. I can’t wait for the Americans to wake up and get a decent President - and not Donald, either. That is something worth praying for.

Glorianny Fri 29-Dec-23 11:04:10

merlotgran

^Of course 7/10 was the excuse. Why else has Israel been stockpiling weapons? You don't declare war on a whim you have to be prepared for it^

Israel has been prepared for war since its creation in 1948. I doubt they have ever reduced their ‘stockpile’ of weapons.

Their army is called a defence force. Bit of a clue there don’t you think?

Well not just "prepared" it has waged war on many occasions and in many other countries. Can an army which wages war on foreign soil be called a "Defence" force?

merlotgran Fri 29-Dec-23 11:11:28

it has waged war on many occasions and in many other countries.

merlotgran Fri 29-Dec-23 11:12:07

Sorry. Sent too soon.

Examples please?

Glorianny Fri 29-Dec-23 11:25:59

merlotgran

Sorry. Sent too soon.

Examples please?

There's a list here of wars en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel
Countries which they fought in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan

Glorianny Fri 29-Dec-23 11:26:50

Gaza was acquired in war from Egypt

merlotgran Fri 29-Dec-23 12:10:23

Glorianny

Gaza was acquired in war from Egypt

Not ignoring you. Food shop calls. Reply later.

Luckygirl3 Fri 29-Dec-23 12:50:20

Religions have always used their texts/doctrines as an excuse/justification for evil acts. None of this is new.

Katie59 Fri 29-Dec-23 13:41:24

Glorianny

Gaza was acquired in war from Egypt

I’m not sure why Egypt gave Gaza to Israel, they certainly don’t want it now. Jordan tried to control the Palestinians in the West Bank, gave up and now maintains a large army to control the extremists (with US help)

Callistemon21 Fri 29-Dec-23 13:48:43

Caleo

MOnica, thanks for your reply. You wrote: "My sympathies were all with the Palestinians until the start of the Hamas campaign."

Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Hamas is like the Mafia, existing for its own ends.

Hamas is not the Palestinian people

Netanyahu is not the Jewish people either.

Putin is religious too apparently.

Callistemon21 Fri 29-Dec-23 13:49:57

Luckygirl3

Religions have always used their texts/doctrines as an excuse/justification for evil acts. None of this is new.

Not quite true.

Evil people (usually men) have used religion as an excuse, not religions.

Glorianny Fri 29-Dec-23 14:46:25

Callistemon21

Caleo

MOnica, thanks for your reply. You wrote: "My sympathies were all with the Palestinians until the start of the Hamas campaign."

Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Hamas is like the Mafia, existing for its own ends.

Hamas is not the Palestinian people

Netanyahu is not the Jewish people either.

Putin is religious too apparently.

No but the argument usually used to support Israel is that it is the only real democracy in the Middle East (it isn't especially if you are Palestinian)) so Netanyahu as an elected official is just doing what the population want.

Glorianny Fri 29-Dec-23 14:49:11

Katie59

Glorianny

Gaza was acquired in war from Egypt

I’m not sure why Egypt gave Gaza to Israel, they certainly don’t want it now. Jordan tried to control the Palestinians in the West Bank, gave up and now maintains a large army to control the extremists (with US help)

I think Gaza was probably traded for Sinai. Israel captured both but gave Sinai back, perhaps the Egyptians thought half a loaf is better than no bread

Callistemon21 Fri 29-Dec-23 14:50:18

Glorianny

Callistemon21

Caleo

MOnica, thanks for your reply. You wrote: "My sympathies were all with the Palestinians until the start of the Hamas campaign."

Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Hamas is like the Mafia, existing for its own ends.

Hamas is not the Palestinian people

Netanyahu is not the Jewish people either.

Putin is religious too apparently.

No but the argument usually used to support Israel is that it is the only real democracy in the Middle East (it isn't especially if you are Palestinian)) so Netanyahu as an elected official is just doing what the population want.

Hamas were elected too.