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LaraGransnet (GNHQ) Tue 07-Jul-20 11:27:47

Hello, GNHQ here, (waving a white flag).

We need your help. As many of you have probably noticed the conversations over the past few days have been increasingly tense. The questions posed have been so interesting and worthy of debate but so often the conversations have derailed and turned into personal attacks (the veiled ones can be particularly unkind). We hate deleting threads when people have taken time and effort to contribute and it must be equally wearing for you all to wade through mean-spirited posts. We'd really like to get back to conversations that include debate/disagreement but that also show a bit of respect and consideration for other posters even if you disagree with them.
Thank you for reading. smile
GNHQ

lemongrove Wed 08-Jul-20 13:44:52

GrannyGravy I expect Ellan meant another poster entirely.

Chewbacca Wed 08-Jul-20 13:47:07

Rosalyn69

Nastygram is a cease and desist communication.

Well, you live and learn. I've been here 4 years and never knew that.

Peardrop50 Wed 08-Jul-20 13:54:49

I just want to defend my corner as I feel tarnished at having two posts deleted. Lemongrove posted her approval of the thread. GGumpteenth made a somewhat sarcastic response and I responded by quoting both and saying 'the irony'. GGumpteenth then responded by quoting both quotes with my words and again was sarcastic so I quoted the whole lot and said 'again the irony'.
I felt I was being supportive of Lemongrove who, in my opinion, gets a hard time from a few posters.
I had an email from Gnet this morning saying that they agreed with my comment re 'the irony' but my post had to be deleted because I'd quoted the naughty posts.
I just wanted to set the record straight that I said nothing rude or nasty and I wish Gnet would just leave things be so that we can all make up our own minds about each other.
Although I don't often, if ever, agree with GGumpteenth I defend her right to say what she feels and my right to disagree. I have not known her to be racist, sexist or any other ...ist.
Please bring her back for the sake of democracy.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 08-Jul-20 13:58:23

peardrop that is a magnanimous post.

Callistemon Wed 08-Jul-20 14:03:43

Whitewavemark2

I meant GCHQ btw

GCHQ?
This is getting serious!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 08-Jul-20 14:05:09

?????

Callistemon Wed 08-Jul-20 14:06:32

I went to look at a thread this morning about school fines and the whole thread had been deleted.
I can't remember if it was particularly acrimonious with any personal attacks.

trisher Wed 08-Jul-20 14:09:42

Callistemon a couple of posters started having a go at each other (can't even remember who) so we were all disciplined. Don't ask me why.

Callistemon Wed 08-Jul-20 14:12:29

Oh dear. So the whole thread was deleted including more interesting posts.

trisher Wed 08-Jul-20 14:19:18

Yes. It's the old scenario of "I don't care who was responsible, you will all lose your playtime if this carries on!!" grin

NatashaGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 08-Jul-20 15:01:09

We want to be clear that we know that these bunfights are often not one-sided, and that there is no favouritism in our moderation - each report we receive is reviewed and we only take action where necessary - and we ask all users to please refrain from personal attacks. We are a post-moderated site and so we don't see every post that is made on Gransnet and do rely on your reports.

As we stated in the OP, we absolutely don't mind debate and disagreement, but there is a way to disagree with another user, and still keep things civil. But when things become personal and descend into bunfights where the only purpose is to target other users, it completely detracts from the discussion and can ruin the debate for everyone. flowers

FarNorth Wed 08-Jul-20 15:08:53

So remove the bunfighters' posts only.
Sometimes, I come back to a thread I've been thinking about and find a squabble going on.
It doesn't bother me and I just say something like "To get back to the topic, I think bla bla etc".
Finding the whole thread removed would be quite annoying.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 08-Jul-20 15:15:36

Then why if the disagreements are never one sided do people get banned?

I can understand say extreme racism etc, but not what seems to have happened on this thread which is unfortunate to say the least.

The decision has left you open to the accusation of favouritism, which undermines your authority imo.

Undoubtedly you largely rely on reports, but this imo takes time, and that certainly didn’t happen today. You seemed to be on automatic pilot.

The trouble with the reliance on receiving reports is that some posters will whizz off reports quite happily and consistently whilst others prefer to let things slide. I think that is what leaves you open then to the accusation of favouritism.

The trouble is you can’t enter into dialogue and I think it is a shame when you have started a thread like this and it has ended as it has with lots of open ends and no questions answered

seacliff Wed 08-Jul-20 15:22:20

GNHQ I really think this deleting threads all the time should stop. It's ridiculous, annoying and unnecessary. As others have said, let the posts stand, so all can see the culprits. (It's OK we can take it) .

By all means give the instigator (s) a warning. If they persist, remove them for a week or two, and announce it on the thread. Why can't you do that? At least have a trial of it please.

Peardrop50 Wed 08-Jul-20 15:22:53

I agree Whitewavemark2 probably for the first and last time, but that's what it's all about.
I would like to start a petition to reinstate GGumpteenth and ask GNHQ to refrain from deleting posts, it's a free country.
Perhaps they could find a way of highlighting posts that have received complaints so that everyone can make their own judgement and the poster be made aware that they're attracting disapproval.

Peardrop50 Wed 08-Jul-20 15:24:05

Reinstate GGumpteenth please

add your name if you agree, thanks

Whitewavemark2 Wed 08-Jul-20 15:31:09

Peardrop50

Reinstate GGumpteenth please

add your name if you agree, thanks

Yes I agree. But at the same time I would like a way of highlighting personal remarks a sort of name and shame. No argument just a hint that the remark was personal.

I had a post zapped today because in my irritation I made a personal remark to lemon. It was zapped. Much more effective if it was highlighted. I would almost certainly apologised, which I would have thought would have achieved a better result.

MaizieD Wed 08-Jul-20 15:33:37

Peardrop50

Reinstate GGumpteenth please

add your name if you agree, thanks

I agree

lemongrove Wed 08-Jul-20 15:34:15

....and I think it is a shame Whitewave for anyone to keep on questioning this matter.Natasha Gransnet does not say that disagreements are never one sided but are often not.

To try and get things back on track... I think any heated debates should be relegated to News and Politics, but apparently harmless threads ( as this was supposed to be) should be the domain of kinder posts.
They don’t have to be ‘bland’ or ‘all sweetness and light’ .....just respectful with no attacks.

growstuff Wed 08-Jul-20 15:34:19

Peardrop50

Reinstate GGumpteenth please

add your name if you agree, thanks

Name added - and thank you Peardrop, especially as I know you and GGumpteenth don't always see eye to eye.

EllanVannin Wed 08-Jul-20 15:35:44

GG13 apologies, it was GGumteenth that I locked horns with last night. She/he who was going to press the report button for my post.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 08-Jul-20 15:39:11

EllanVannin

GG13 apologies, it was GGumteenth that I locked horns with last night. She/he who was going to press the report button for my post.

Thank you EllanVannin I have been worrying that I had lost one or more of my few remaining marbles

Whitewavemark2 Wed 08-Jul-20 15:39:36

lemon oh dear we will have to disagree over this.

You can’t expect sweetness and light on every thread except the politics thread . Blimey we aren’t Stepford Wives!!

GrannyGravy13 Wed 08-Jul-20 15:42:25

Peardrop50

Reinstate GGumpteenth please

add your name if you agree, thanks

I do not want to see anyone banned unless it is over something which could be libellous and therefor damage GN.

lemongrove Wed 08-Jul-20 15:47:05

Whitewavemark2

lemon oh dear we will have to disagree over this.

You can’t expect sweetness and light on every thread except the politics thread . Blimey we aren’t Stepford Wives!!

Yes, we will have to disagree, and I did say it didn’t have to be sweetness and light.
If you had been on the receiving end today of so very many
Personal remarks from one poster, you may feel differently.
I was the only one targeted by the poster in her many posts.
We can disagree.....in a civil way.