'Viewpoint' on ITV and Noel Clarke

I agree GrannyRose I really don't see the point of not showing the last episode.
Seems like an uneccessary knee jerk reaction.

Sometimes you have to separate the characters from the actors who play them.

I agree but I found that a bit difficult do as I watched the end last night after the allegations. Acting a role as a policeman in a position of trust and then taking advantage of the woman in whose flat he was on surveillance I felt a bit confused about him.

Maybe what I'm saying is should these kind of abusive storylines be included in the drama in the first place? But then it obviously happens.

BlueBelle

Maddy he has accepted he may have spoken wrongly and will get help but fervently denies any sexual inappropriateness
I don’t believe the man should be hung drawn and quartered without being found guilty first
I hope he can put forward his side without prejudice but whether he’s guilty or not he’s lost his career and everything now

Onto the actual drama I thought it was excellent with a great twist in the ending I thoroughly enjoyed it

Yes, you are correct BlueBelle. I said in my first post on this thread that the courts should judge, not the public, and clearly he has not been found guilty of anything. I just thought when I saw the announcement on the news that if he’s apologised he must have accepted he’s done something wrong.

I think it was out of order for ITV to pull the final episode. Many older viewers do not have the Hub and will unable to watch the end. That’s unsatisfactory in my opinion. We watched it last night as planned. I think it’s only available on the Hub till Sunday.

Grannycool52

I don't have access to ITV Hub. Please can someone tell us who dunnit?

I will PM you

Oh I can't PM you as you don't accept PM. If I write on here it might upset people!

To me it made no sense at all to pull the last episode off tv.
Anyway, I soon discovered that it was on the ITV Hub and watched it there.
I thought it was enshrined in our law that a man is innocent until proved guilty? It puzzles me that this actor could be treated in this way without any official charge, also others that have suddenly lost their jobs without any trial.
I certainly feel strongly about anyone who abuses others, having been on the receiving end of abuse myself, like many of us I am sure. And yes, I read that Noel Clark did make a statement in which he admitted certain things,not sexual abuse though.
But this modern way of dealing with these things really sticks in my throat. I don't like it at all. Where is the justice?

NC may or may not have broken the law and/or he may or may not have broken various guidelines as to what is acceptable behaviour in the work place. Once allegations are made ( and there were 20 women) then it cannot be ‘business as usual’. This would be the same for anyone accused of this type and range of behaviour. Suspension may-happens whilst an investigation takes place which may or may not involve the police. The risk assessment may mean the person is allowed to carry on working but not interact with the public. It all depends - it’s supposed to be a ‘neutral’ act but obviously it looks and feels like being judged. In a case like this it is even more complicated as organisations want to distance themselves from him. I don’t think there’s a way off handling it usually that’s fair to the ‘accused’ and safeguards potential ‘victims’ . Sometimes things are just tough. This is one of those times

I too want to know who's guilty, or if she is even dead

ninathenana

I too want to know who's guilty, or if she is even dead

Do you want a PM?

That's a good post Suzie although I would be most interested to be able to view and see these 20 women from whom these allegations have been made. Thankfully no allegation of rape was made so if that is the case then they should be identified and shown after all Noel Clarkes face has been plastered over the news programmes and everywhere else and so far they remain anonymous.
Just put the computer on and another bit of news came on about some of Noel Clarkes co-stars in Bulletproof.
One co-star name Mandeep Dhillon had this to say, this has gone on for ages, and it is "about f**king time" this is coming out it has been show business best kept secret for ages. Mandeep Dhillon you sure have a way with words a lovely potty mouth.

At least with all this plastered everywhere it is giving Ryan Giggs some breathing space and he is another one that has appeared in the news numerous times about his escapades with women.
Oh just remembered cannot say anything much about him he is getting charged so nothing to say about his case.
Although if it all blows right up at least they can keep each other company in court.

Always trial by media, we have innocent until proven guilty in this country, but social media have made it guilty until proved otherwise.

Lin52

Always trial by media, we have innocent until proven guilty in this country, but social media have made it guilty until proved otherwise.

This story was newspaper based originally not social media.

I am laughing at women being told off about swearing on a thread about a man who calls his wife the vagina at hone and whose own Twitter is just full of misogyny.

He made a young actress audition in the nude , filed her and shed the video . He admits himself he needs " help ". I am just sorry for his three children and wife .

Apparently the last episode is on YouTube.

He claims he didn't actually film the young actress and some people who were there are saying he couldn't have done it. I just find the whole episode so unsavoury. The woman originating the first complaints was in dispute with him about a payment.
I don't think its right to condemn him without proper investigation.
But what I really find objectionable is the ethos of an industry which makes young actresses subject themselves to pseudo pornographic scenes, apparently because they fear for their careers. And that isn't the fault of Noel Clarke or anyone in the industry, it's the fault of a public who demand more and more extreme nudity and sex scenes.

Seems now days you are guilty till proven innocent..

Yvonne25

Seems now days you are guilty till proven innocent..

No it doesn’t

I wonder it was widely publicised that boys who heard other boys using sexual insults or comments about girls should be able to speak up and condemn their attitude. Shouldn't some of the people working with Noel Clarke have said something and told him to stop?

I haven’t read the Guardian article but will do so. I have worked with sex offenders and victims of all ages.
Prosecuting men who sexually abuse adults and/or children is a complex issue. The fact a case doesn’t go to trail does not “prove they were innocent’. If only it was that simple.

The posts on here that refer to the 20 (so far) complainants that “crawled out the woodwork “ are frankly to me, disgusting.
This man has conceded his behaviour may have upset some women. He apologises, he will seek therapy.

It isn’t trial by media. It’s an attempt to stop,other women being subjected to bullying, sexual assault and demeaning exploitative behaviour. What about that is difficult to understand

But what I really find objectionable is the ethos of an industry which makes young actresses subject themselves to pseudo pornographic scenes, apparently because they fear for their careers. And that isn't the fault of Noel Clarke or anyone in the industry, it's the fault of a public who demand more and more extreme nudity and sex scenes.

Seriously? How is it not the fault of anyone in the industry if young actresses have to 'subject themselves to pseudo-pornographic scenes'? Of course it is.

I will watch a film or TV drama that has nudity or sex in it, but I am not 'demanding' anything of the sort, and I don't know anyone who does.

I think that blaming 'the public' just exonerates exploitative men who know how powerful they are in an industry which is one of the most gender-unequal of all.

I don't know whether ITV should have pulled the last episode of the drama. I wonder whether the 5 nights a week schedule might have been because they knew the news would break and they hoped to get it screened in time. Apparently they had been told a few weeks ago, but didn't have enough to go on until more women came forward. It was making a stand, I suppose, but it looks a bit forced in the circumstances, and it was very frustrating for viewers who had persevered with the series for the first four episodes.

The posts on here that refer to the 20 (so far) complainants that “crawled out the woodwork “ are frankly to me, disgusting.

Agreed. I meant to mention that in my post but got distracted by the idea that the exploitation of young actresses is 'nobody's fault' except for a voracious public.

Equating women who have been sexually assaulted with verminous insects is appalling, but all too familiar on here. To some, it is always men who are the victims. It's depressing.

Doodledog the industry is driven by public demand. If no one watches something it doesn't make money, if it doesn't make money the people involved and the formula will not be used or funded again. So sex sells. How can it work in any other way? If you watch it you are consciously or unconsciously indicaing your approval. Just as the punter using a prostitute should accept some responsibility so the audience watching these scenes must do likewise.
Yes Noel Clarke may have behaved badly (and I believe in due process not media-trial) but the circumstances which enabled him to do so were not of his creation .
And I doubt he is the only person behaving like this.

I watched the final episode on ITVHub this afternoon I hope you ladies who want to watch it manage to do so.
There had better not be any upsets in screening the last episode of Line of Duty tomorrow evening or I will be very upset .

Joseph, Mary and the wee Donkey, glammanana, I sincerely hope not!

trisher, Yes, sex sells. On the other hand, people can only watch what is available, unless they buy 'under the counter' things (or the digital equivalent). I am not going to turn off something I am watching because there is sex or nudity in it - it doesn't bother me either way. But that is not the same as 'demanding' that dramas have either, which is my point. I would just as happily watch a film where the camera pans out before the sex, and I don't think I am unusual in that.

In answer to your second point, I know you don't like men to take responsibility for things, but come on. I don't think that (whether Clarke is innocent or guilty) that there won't be plenty of other exploitative men in the TV/film industry, but I absolutely do think that the responsibility for that lies solely with them, whether or not they were 'enabled' to do so. They don't have to be at the mercy of their impulses, even if the patriarchal system of their industry throws vulnerable young women their way.