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Rigby46 Sun 18-Jun-17 18:41:26

We appear to be going naked into the negotiating chamber (as someone once mocked). No deal as yet with the DUP and the Sunday papers full of the civil war that has broken out yet again ( did it ever stop?) in the Tory party. Hammond laid out his position today very clearly didn't he re the absolutely ridiculous mantra 'no deal is better than a bad deal'. How on earth is this going to play out? A chancellor and a PM diametrically opposed. How desperately we are being let down by our so-called leaders, how naked is their own sel-interest being exposed on the Eupropean and World stage. The Tory party in all its glory.

whitewave Fri 23-Jun-17 16:59:29

That is the glory of the transparency we are getting from the EU.

May hasn't quite cottoned on yet that we all read!!

whitewave Fri 23-Jun-17 17:05:07

Interesting and flawed remark by May when asked by a channel 4 reporter about her mandate for leaving the single market and customs union

Reply- 80% support it

What!!!!!!! More lies Maybot.

varian Fri 23-Jun-17 19:00:22

I'm sick of hearing that lie. It is based on the total number of votes for the two biggest parties but I'm pretty sure many, if not most Labour voters, and many Tory voters cast their votes for other reasons.

Mind you, it would have been better if Labour had not caved in as much as they did on Article 50 and had less of the brexit nonsense in their manifesto. Brexit may be likely to happen, but it is not inevitable and the "brexit at any price" policy of May is suicidal.

I've noticed that the most outspoken brexiters always seem to be angry, issuing threats about what will happen if "brexit is thwarted" and carping on about the "will of the people".

The more people understand about the likely consequences, the fewer people want to jump of that cliff. How bad would things have to be before these folk see sense?

whitewave Fri 23-Jun-17 19:05:06

There are undoubtedly more and more MPs who are having sleepless nights now that they are actually beginning to understand the dire implications

whitewave Fri 23-Jun-17 19:08:27

Just watching "Brexit means Brexit" grin

GracesGranMK2 Fri 23-Jun-17 19:33:41

I heard someone say the other day that with the narrowest of wins in the referendum they should have gone for the narrowest of Brexits, i.e., as close to what we have now as possible. I could never understand why such a small majority should be seen to mean 'the country' wanted such and extreme Brexit as they originally went for when nearly half didn't want to leave at all.

Tegan2 Fri 23-Jun-17 19:51:41

I'm really annoyed to read that Gisela Stuart is now saying the referendum should never have been held. Not only was she on here arguing the case for brexit and standing in front of 'that bus', but she then stands down as an MP.

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 20:09:24

Does that mean she wants her job back?
More likely that she was just playing games.

Tegan2 Fri 23-Jun-17 20:16:51

I don't know how she or Cameron can live with themselves with the havoc they have wreaked on this country....

Rigby46 Fri 23-Jun-17 20:17:44

Tegan I missed that about GS - of course I believe you but where did she say it?

MaizieD Fri 23-Jun-17 20:55:03

It's here, Rigby:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-referendum-vacuous-gisela-stuart-leading-leave-campaigner-abuse-democratic-process-comments-a7803631.html

Leading Brexit campaigner says 'vacuous' referendum should never have been called

The worms are really crawling out of the woodwork now, aren't they?

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 21:05:41

Hope nobody buys her book.

Rigby46 Fri 23-Jun-17 21:20:37

Thanks Maizie how dare she? I'm speechless.

Rigby46 Fri 23-Jun-17 21:24:42

I expect to see her book available fron the Book People for two euros by the end of next week. Love the several references in the article to "German born Mrs Stuart"

MaizieD Fri 23-Jun-17 23:02:03

Thanks Maizie how dare she? I'm speechless.

We certainly can't complain that public/political life has been boring over the past couple of months! grin

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 23:16:14

That was the letter from the political editor in the i today.
"You can be appalled, inspired, excited or depressed by the state of British politics, but it's impossible to be bored by it."

MawBroon Sat 24-Jun-17 09:18:51

Wonder if this is an appropriate moment to revisit this?
(There hasn't' been a lot to smile at recently)

"Zut alors!"said Thomas,"those French lessons were a bit of a waste of time then!"

durhamjen Sat 24-Jun-17 14:09:10

From the Daily Mail. (1973)

MaizieD Sat 24-Jun-17 17:52:20

Whisper it...it wasn't Thomas who was bricked up...it was Henry...

whitewave Sat 24-Jun-17 18:28:14

Hammond seems to have killed hard Brexit and going for the softest possible Brexit. That is because he is in close contact with business.

Welshwife Sat 24-Jun-17 19:55:12

Could he not be persuaded to kill it altogether?

MargaretX Sat 24-Jun-17 20:06:56

I heard on Radio4 that the House of Lords whose job it is to smooth out new laws before the final vote in the commons, are obliged to support a major political party.

This is not now the case and they are also obliged to repeal a law that could damage the country.
As it now looks as if the Uk will be damaged by a hard Brexit - or even by any form of Brexit,my hope lies with the Lords.
To be honest no one could have imagined such a weak US and a strong pro EU France when Brexit was voted on.
Now would have been a real chance for Britain to prosper in the EU which is its rightful place

GracesGranMK2 Sat 24-Jun-17 21:22:49

It may just die Welshwife smile So many strange things have happen recently.

whitewave Sat 24-Jun-17 21:26:37

There is definately an underswell that of that opinion i think - i keep reading it all over the place

whitewave Sat 24-Jun-17 21:27:31

Cross out a that and it might make sense