Brexit is the cause of the shortages

Would you want your unemployed grand-daughter to go and work in an abattoir? It is not for the faint hearted, for sure, and highly skilled and dangerous
We do have a friend whose DD works as an Inspector in abbatoirs to make sure rules are not broken. A responsible job.

As for my DGD, she is very young and would probably lead them out of the back door, two by two, and rescue them.

Yes, halfpint, being in the system is the greatest benefit. I just find it surprising that some Brits might have come from a management type position in the UK to working in a stinky chicken abattoir for a "better quality of life!" A bit like cleaning gites in France for a living when they might have had a cleaner in the UK.
Thank you for replying halfpint1, I just went off track a bit with the comment made about an unemployed person in the UK not wanting to work in an abattoir.

Callistemon. Good on your DGD!

Josianne

Callistemon. Good on your DGD!

She always bucks the trend although she's only 9!

so the 20% are all in the same region

Callistemon individuality is good. ?
I like a child who knows their own mind.

yes urmstongran, i know that was the rule but there were no checks made on how long was spent in another country therefore we paid uk tax

I think probably a great many people did that catladyuk. Now, not so many. The rules have tightened up. I should imagine Europe is glad. They must have missed out on quite a bit of revenue in past times.

urmstongran, no doubt we will now make up for some of the lost revenue, but tax in france is lower than the uk

Urmstongran you fail to take into account that the skills of those made unemployed will not match the job vacancies and most will choose to try to get other jobs in areas that use their existing skills. Even if they decide to retrain that may be 6 - 9 months down the line and, if they are training as lorry drivers, butchers or care workers it may well take the same time again to retrain them. Our need for those workers is now, not 18 months down the line.

A win-win for you than catladyuk.

MOnica I get what you are saying. But some jobs will match up immediately of course and for the people concerned that has to be a good thing. To lose a job after being furloughed just when over a million vacancies need filling.

Urmstongran

Callistemon individuality is good. ?
I like a child who knows their own mind.

I've seen that before, Urmstongran
DD posted it and asked if that was her. Yes, it was ?
Children like that aren't always easy!

Urmstongran

Callistemon individuality is good. ?
I like a child who knows their own mind.

So do I.

I bet you she does NOT vote Tory!

Urmstongran

A win-win for you than catladyuk.

MOnica I get what you are saying. But some jobs will match up immediately of course and for the people concerned that has to be a good thing. To lose a job after being furloughed just when over a million vacancies need filling.

'some' just will not sort this mess out.

Urmstongran you are begging the issue. Your first post seemed to suggest 1 million unemployed and 1 million vacancies cancelled out. Of course some people will quickly find jobs in their own sector, but that isn't the problem. The problem is that we need, specifically, lorry drivers, butchers, care workers, agricultural workers, poultry processing operatives and these jobs all require training, and the job losses are not necessarily going to be in the same places that contain the job vacancies, nor are the unemployed going to have the basic skills needed to do a job. An office worker may be working in a fulltime office without a problem, despite having a medical condition that would make it impossible for them to do any work that required physical strength or stamina.

Sorry, I sidetracked.

growstuff

Urmstongran

Wilfully remaining within the Protocol is the act of suicide. May’s negotiation (she & Ollie Robbins we’re ardent Remainers remember so this soft fudge suited them down to the ground) and acceptance of it, which trapped Boris, was the stupidest political act in British history.

I suggest you find out a bit more about British history.

Always so sweet to everyone, hey Urmstongran.

catladyuk

yes urmstongran you are correct, we will now be paying tax in france and not the uk.
prior to 'brexit' ( whoever coined that word deserves to be shot!) there were no checks made on how long you were in the eu

p.s. i don't know how to Attach your words as a header to my comment1

You are actually required to declare which country you are resident in and pay tax accordingly. I suspect that many Brits living in Spain and France stayed outside the system and will have come a cropper if they tried to claim residency.

Alegrias1

Ah Bodach, I ken fine fa' Poosie Nancy was! (sp - see attached). I'll easy tak' on the description o' a sulky sullen dame as lang as we ca' Johnson the

..skellum,
A bletherin, blusterin, drunken blellum;

To be fair, I don't know if he drinks, but the rest fits.

Sorry, Alegrias1; you've adopted my 'Poosie' instead of your original 'Poozie', but it's still definitely 'Nansie' and not 'Nancy'. I surmise that you have Googled it and simply grabbed the first (National Galleries' erroneous) entry which sits at the top of the page. But look at every other "hit", and you will see that they all have 'Nansie'. It's even painted on the gable end of the pub, for pity's sake!

dinhamo, we have declared and will now be taxed in france, prior to 2020 we were uk residents and paid uk tax.

many we know who have been living full time in france outside the system are returning to the uk.
we were not living full time in an eu country, on occasion we were in france for more than 183 days but these were not consecutive and because we spent the most time here, we were considered uk residents.
we are now retired, and have always been taxed in the uk.

Bodach

Alegrias1

Ah Bodach, I ken fine fa' Poosie Nancy was! (sp - see attached). I'll easy tak' on the description o' a sulky sullen dame as lang as we ca' Johnson the

..skellum,
A bletherin, blusterin, drunken blellum;

To be fair, I don't know if he drinks, but the rest fits.

Sorry, Alegrias1; you've adopted my 'Poosie' instead of your original 'Poozie', but it's still definitely 'Nansie' and not 'Nancy'. I surmise that you have Googled it and simply grabbed the first (National Galleries' erroneous) entry which sits at the top of the page. But look at every other "hit", and you will see that they all have 'Nansie'. It's even painted on the gable end of the pub, for pity's sake!

Okay, my spelling is irregular.

What about Johnson as a lying, lazy, blistering scoundrel who talks at length without making any sense?

Or, blustering, even ?

PippaZ

growstuff

Urmstongran

Wilfully remaining within the Protocol is the act of suicide. May’s negotiation (she & Ollie Robbins we’re ardent Remainers remember so this soft fudge suited them down to the ground) and acceptance of it, which trapped Boris, was the stupidest political act in British history.

I suggest you find out a bit more about British history.

Always so sweet to everyone, hey Urmstongran.

I didn’t say anything mean Miss!
It was growstuff Miss.
I don’t speak to anyone like that.

on occasion we were in france for more than 183 days but these were not consecutive and because we spent the most time here, we were considered uk residents

With respect catladyuk you seem to be a bit muddled with your maths.

If you spent more than 183 days in France (they didn’t have to be consecutively) then (a) you can’t have spent more time here that (those) years and (b) your tax ought therefore to have been paid to the French government in that year.

No matter. That’s in the past now.
Enjoy your retirement in la belle France!

After a great deal of research and thought I voted remain. I didn't want Brexit and was unhappy about the outcome. I accepted that Leave had won and, although I feared the worst for me and Britain I remained open minded and was willing to wait to see what happened. We had been promised great things and I had to put my faith in the powers that be.

I am not a 'scary' Remainer. These horrible names we all give each other don't help either do they? Calling people crusties/mobs/rabid/frothing/eco-hippies or whatever just reduces people and fosters hatred....it's a lazy, dismissive and divisive tool.

We all voted for what we thought was best based on the information at hand. I don't dismiss anyone who voted Leave as an idiot or misled.

I have waited and waited and still can't see one positive benefit of leaving. There seems to be no aspect of British life that has improved for the average person. I can't be alone in thinking that across a wide spectrum of measures things have worsened. There still seem to be no real, measurable tangible benefits. Honestly, I am trying to see them and long for someone to point them out on here...but they don't.

You might say that the waters have been muddied by Covid and that is true, but still, not one tangible benefit that the average person would all agree is down to Brexit.

I see at this point in arguments someone will normally mention vaccine roll out - but you only have to look at the figures for vaccinations around the world and we are not a front runner.

Not angry about Brexit, but definitely still waiting for some small, single thing to give me hope that it was all worthwhile.