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welbeck

reproductive system is part of the human body, male and female. basic biology. men have a reproductive system, so they most of them, have reproductive capacity.
the form is not correct, either logically or biologically.
and as for chest-feeding, sounds like midnight feasts in dorm from tuck boxes.

Quite right, welbeck, the description made no sense. The first question, concerned the age you had your first period, and others asked whether you’d had a hysterectomy and how many pregnancies you’d had, so it was aimed just at women without mentioning the word.

Both have critics who would do so.

I meant the affair with the sister MOnica but I might be wrong.

that was Byron.
Wordsworth was more an emotional dependence.
Byron wasn't dependent on anyone, emotionally or otherwise.

I may be being dim, but I can't work out what the lives of these literary chaps have to do with calling women 'pregnant people'.

The world has gone completely and utterly barking mad ?‍♀️

Doodledog

I honestly don't think that either Shakespeare or Chaucer has been 'cancelled'.

They haven't been cancelled. I still have to trawl through the same old texts, year in, year out with years 10 to 13 at school, poor devils (I mean, I love them really, but what 15 year old is interested in Chaucer's cherries?)

I honestly think these transphobic threads are designed to bore us into submission / tolerance of the exclusion of trans people in our societies. Sadly, for me at least, it's working. I don't have the energy to fight the discrimination when the same old arguments are repeated ad nauseam.

I think that’s probably why the other thread was removed and I agree GagaJo that the threads are boring, with the same arguments about discrimination against women are repeated ad nauseam.

when the same old arguments are repeated ad nauseam.
Well change the record then? Or at least answer when people ask questions about things you post? I’d still be interested to hear how we can simultaneously not be theoretical and read more before we post, for instance.

I’m delighted to hear that the Eng Lit canon remains intact. I’m surprised that 10 year olds read Chaucer though. Quite apart from the language difficulties the content must be a struggle for them.

Doodledog
Year 10 pupils ie GCSE students, not 10 year olds!

Bloody hell, it’s hard enough getting them to read ‘Goodnight Mr Tom’, let alone ‘The Wife of Bath’!

The other thing that really really irritates me is the modern way a man says ‘we are pregnant’ no ‘*we*’ aren’t pregnant we are expecting a baby but only the woman IS pregnant

Just as an aside, when we read Chaucer’s Prologue, we used to chant these lines and quite a lot of the rest of the verse about ‘ his sone, a yong squier, a lovyere and a lusty bacheler’, saying them the way they were spelled. They still stick in my mind now.

FannyCornforth

Doodledog
Year 10 pupils ie GCSE students, not 10 year olds!

Bloody hell, it’s hard enough getting them to read ‘Goodnight Mr Tom’, let alone ‘The Wife of Bath’!

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That makes a lot more sense!

I don't think many GNs are transphobic - I certainly have no problem with anyone who wants to transition (the whole process is difficult and takes a lot of determination and courage), however, by trying to stop people using the word "woman" could that not be considered "womanphobic" (yes I know that isn't a word) and prejudiced against those who are born as and continue to identify as female?

As far as suporting women goes what I sense here is a reluctance to actually support all women. Because if you really support them then a woman who wishes to be a man and prefers to be a pregnant person rather than a pregnnant woman should receive your unequivocal support. If of course you want only to support women whose ideas agree with your own you won't support them.
As for the concept of calling people 'parents', not all pregnancies result in the birth of a healthy child and for some people (whatever their gender) calling them that might be rubbing salt in a wound.

Tired listening to the same old narrative about transwomen who wished to be men. These women wanted to give up the life of being women as long as it suited them only they did not want the full transition. When they decide they want a baby
are we expected to support them regardless and call them trans-people.
Is it really us in this society that have to have unconditional
empathy towards those in the trans community when it is some of them that are going out of their way to want the best of both worlds. The question being "What do you want to be"? A man or a woman.
I have nothing against LBGTand Q but am fed up when it starts wanting to go back to being a woman just to use
female reproductive system.

^I have nothing against LBGTand Q but am fed up when it starts wanting to go back to being a woman just to use
female reproductive system^
They don't they are still transmen. That's why they are Pregnant people.

Call them what you wish Tricia they are women that transitioned to men. In first instance they want to be given the identity of men. In second instance we are all people but when we had our babies we were pregnant women not people.

I suppose you are changing the terminology as often the terminology is changed for the use of words that are unacceptable for instance in racism.
All I can say if I see/know a transman that is what they have chosen to be, so stick to one choice, particularly for their child. A transman who has a child and after the birth has the full transition is too confusing for a child and should not be allowed.

@trisher. I don't think there’s a lack of support for all women on this thread - I think it’s an interesting discussion of the different aspects of what’s happening in the world. Some, like myself are just trying to make sense of it all. However, if you want to talk about supporting ALL women re-read my post upthread regarding women weightlifters whose protests at a transgender male being assigned to the Olympic team were dismissed out of hand - they were called ‘privileged’ among other things. The blatant unfairness of a male born woman on a weightlifting team is there for all to see, but no, political correctness dictates that it has to be allowed. How exactly is that supporting ‘all’ women ?

There are an organised group of transmen in Canada who are raising concerns about the denial of biological sex and the absolute damage this is doing to transpeople. They are very interesting to listen to, they talk about the abuse they receive in recognising their own biological sex. More and more transmen and transwomen are speaking out about this.

Abuse from whom Galaxy- other transmen and transwomen?

So the people that you refer to identify as trans, but they also accept their biological reality?

Yes many transmen and women talk about their biological reality. Abuse from activists, it's very common for those transpeople who talk about the reality and importance of biological sex.

Abuse comes in many forms and from many people Galaxy. It isn't denying anything or abusing anyone to simply request the the term pregnant people is used it's simply inclusive. If you then want to add "woman" or transmen" to your individual notes I'm sure that will still be possible.
As far as the post goes if the article had said "pregnant women refusing to be vaccinated" and there was one pregnant transman refusing wouldn't that be blaming women?

Hi thanks for your postings. I dont in fact have a transgender child, though we are all a bit untypical in other ways. Until the law was being changed and the language was being mangled in a very one way direction I was OK about everything trans. But now? no. I'm angry at the insidious way trans activists have started to control all discourses and under the guise of liberality have (by being 'kind' who doesn't want to be kind?) they have inaccurately changed the law or tried to (thanks Maya Forstater) and successfully changed the language. When I saw the headline in the Standard which was elsewhere also printed in the same way - referring to 'pregnant people' and then read the reason for it - 'until another word is found for woman'!
I actually now have at last got going. I loathe the way that authorities from Wikipedia to NHS to ONS say that our sex is 'assigned at birth by a relative, midwife nurse of doctor'. What rubbish. Not 'recorded' or 'observed' but 'assigned' that weaselly word that implies the possibility of change. Just get another professional to assign your sex.
Oh and I have just found out it is JKRowlings birthday today. I salute her.
There comes a time when you have to put your foot down and let caring common sense take over. There's no hate. The hate comes from the trans activists who have bullied women into silence and fear. Plus ca change.

Those transmen disagree with you trisher, they are clearly stating that the denial of biological sex is making their lives worse.