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Calling women by a Mrs title ... & commenting on what they wear.

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anonymose Sat 06-Jul-24 01:47:40

I've just skimmed through another post on here about AR and her trouser suit & was quite amazed that the outgoing PM Rishi Sunaks wife was referred to as Mrs Sunak, also Mrs Angela Raynor & Mrs Victoria Starmer. Others sorry I've missed their names (not familiar with many UK politicians) but is this a thing in 2024.
I've understood from my reading these are all intelligent, employed women & not waiting at home for husbands like a 1950s housewife might have done so why not just call them by their names - AR, VS, AS etc - or is this the mindset of Gransnet?
I accept I haven't used the forum for a long time but discussions about clothing choices & Mrs et als really should have been left generations before us.

Crossstitchfan Sun 07-Jul-24 14:44:55

BigMamma

I always was and always will be proud of being called Mrs.

I so agree, old fashioned or not. I was so proud to be Mrs R, but then, I had the best husband in the world (in my opinion, of course!)
Now that he has died, being called Mrs is even more precious to me, and I don’t care if anyone thinks it’s stupid, demeaning etc. it’s right for me!

Crossstitchfan Sun 07-Jul-24 14:55:07

Wyllow3

Callistemon213

Our family surnames were presumably our father's surnames.

Unless we had very progressive, forward-thinking mothers.

My DS has my surname, and his Dad's surname as middle name. We always told him he could change it if he wanted.

Willow3
I love that idea! How clever. Also, it will presumably sound double-barrelled, so rather upmarket too!

Iam64 Sun 07-Jul-24 14:58:27

Our children had both our names without a hyphen

MissAdventure Sun 07-Jul-24 15:02:01

For a while, it was a thing that a couple would take part of each surname a.nd blend them.

Me and my bloke would have been Mr and Mrs Bland. grin

Iam64 Sun 07-Jul-24 15:07:51

My friend’s son and his wife blended their last names to create a new shared identity. Their oldest child starts high school in September - they’re a happy couple with three lovely children taking the new name forward. I wonder what they’ll do with their name if they marry or hand fast
Friends of mine chose a new shared last name when they married in their fifties. They divorced within a few years and she kept the name

MissAdventure Sun 07-Jul-24 15:10:08

I've always thought what a pain it would be to ensure officialdom get the gist of something like that.

Casdon Sun 07-Jul-24 15:10:32

In Wales, children often have their father or ancestral name as their second name, it’s a patronymic system.
Hence, Rhun ap Iorwedd the Plaid leader is Rhun, son of Iorwedd.

MissAdventure Sun 07-Jul-24 15:13:03

Up in the Highlands where the ex lived, boys had their father's name.
I'm not sure about girls.

Curtaintwitcher Sun 07-Jul-24 15:15:27

How small-minded that sounds! A married woman should be addressed as 'Mrs Whatever', unless she prefers to be known by her maiden name.

Callistemon213 Sun 07-Jul-24 15:15:57

Crossstitchfan

Wyllow3

Callistemon213

Our family surnames were presumably our father's surnames.

Unless we had very progressive, forward-thinking mothers.

My DS has my surname, and his Dad's surname as middle name. We always told him he could change it if he wanted.

Willow3
I love that idea! How clever. Also, it will presumably sound double-barrelled, so rather upmarket too!

I couldn't have called my son by empty maiden name, he would have got horribly teased 😃

My father had an unusual middle name, he never commented on it. My mother just said "Your Dad's middle name is a funny one". I found out years later, researching family history, that it was his grandmother's maiden name and a Huguenot surname.
I wish I'd known.

Callistemon213 Sun 07-Jul-24 15:16:29

empty???
my!

Thanks autocorrect.

AGAA4 Sun 07-Jul-24 15:17:51

Casdon

In Wales, children often have their father or ancestral name as their second name, it’s a patronymic system.
Hence, Rhun ap Iorwedd the Plaid leader is Rhun, son of Iorwedd.

There were quite a few men where I worked who were ap .....I thought it sounded strange for their wives.

Casdon Sun 07-Jul-24 15:24:43

Most women don’t use the ap, just the surname, but I’ve heard them use ferch or verch for daughter of. It’s usually an ancestral family name now- we’ve got one, which is used as the second name of all the boys in the family, going back hundreds of years. It’s a really interesting subject I think (but I know I’m a nerd).

Caleo Sun 07-Jul-24 15:34:38

'Mrs' and 'Mr' are slightly disrespectful nowadays. For instance 'Mr Hitler ', 'Mr Putin ', 'Mr Netanyahu', ' Miss Minogue'.

It's customary to call a public personage by first and second names unless you want to poke fun at them.

(I liked Mrs Sunak's dress which showed clever symbolism and good taste. I'd have liked it better had she given her money to poor people and worn a charity shop bargain)

Juggernaut Sun 07-Jul-24 15:39:41

I never use my Academic title unless it's necessary. It seems big headed and boastful. (Also, I don't claim to reside in two different cities according to whether or not it suits my 'tale').
I use my forename and surname (which oddly enough is the same as my husband's surname)
I'm quite happy to be referred to as Mrs, but absolutely hate Ms, it means nothing!

AGAA4 Sun 07-Jul-24 15:43:26

Casdon

Most women don’t use the ap, just the surname, but I’ve heard them use ferch or verch for daughter of. It’s usually an ancestral family name now- we’ve got one, which is used as the second name of all the boys in the family, going back hundreds of years. It’s a really interesting subject I think (but I know I’m a nerd).

The women I knew did use the ap. It is an interesting subject. I must be a nerd too.

TerriBull Sun 07-Jul-24 15:57:33

I think I read somewhere that Ed Balls found his surname an opportunity for a certain amount of piss taking from his peers when he was going through school, which is never nice. Hence some or maybe all of his children have opted for Yvette's surname "Cooper" I kind of think that makes sense, if the mother has a nicer sounding surname, then go with that for the children.

DamaskRose Sun 07-Jul-24 16:20:00

biglouis

*I have never used my academic achievements in my title, (and there are a few), other than in a job application. I find it unnecessary and slightly boastful.*

How very old fashioned.

Its something I earned by my own efforts rather than a label which society has stuck on to me, like Mrs. Mrs would imply I am some man's property. No man has ever owned me or ever will.

Do you really think that’s how marriage is viewed in the 21st century?? I don’t know any woman who belongs to her husband or any husband who owns his wife.

How very old fashioned.

I was happy to take my husband’s name when we married as it was my mother’s maiden name and it went very nicely with my Christian (I’m happy with that as I am with fore or first) name.

As for needing to use my academic title to make a statement, I find that a little sad.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 07-Jul-24 16:23:18

If I had a doctorate I would certainly use Dr rather than Mrs. Something to be proud of.

Aveline Sun 07-Jul-24 16:40:35

I do have a doctorate but hesitate to use it. I'm not a medical doctor so feel a bit sheepish about using it.

Oreo Sun 07-Jul-24 17:18:51

Juggernaut

I never use my Academic title unless it's necessary. It seems big headed and boastful. (Also, I don't claim to reside in two different cities according to whether or not it suits my 'tale').
I use my forename and surname (which oddly enough is the same as my husband's surname)
I'm quite happy to be referred to as Mrs, but absolutely hate Ms, it means nothing!

I never use my academic title either, mainly cos I don’t have one.But good for you for not using it at every available occasion.
I have reverted to my maiden name since divorce.

JamesandJon33 Sun 07-Jul-24 17:26:58

I don’t use mine either.

Grams2five Sun 07-Jul-24 22:23:08

I rather enjoy being mrs last name. It’s who I am after all. My daughter is often called mrs and doesn’t seem to mind nor do my daughter in laws. In fact my newest daughter in law ( married a year now) always comments on how much she loves getting cards address to mrs so and so.

nanna8 Mon 08-Jul-24 01:01:12

One of my daughters never uses her doctorate as a title,either. Neither does my husband. One of the reasons is people assume it is medical and start to ask for advice!

welbeck Mon 08-Jul-24 09:40:43

Bumface

I am not sure about the practice of women using their maiden name (often their father's surname) in front of their husband's surname. In the case of me and DH it would not have worked and would have looked comical. I suppose it works with some name pairings and it sounds posh, so why not?

ah, now we understand your username; it's an example of simply combining your surnames, when you married mr face ?