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Can't do right for doing wrong

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3211123rjc Mon 04-May-20 15:24:07

We have tried our very best to remain locked in, order as much as we can online, even though delivery slots are nearly 2 weeks apart, and needs to be left for essential workers. Do Click and Collect, haven't seen friends since the beginning of all of this.

However this is not enough for my children(39&44), I have been called irresponsible, and idiot and get this, F**king stupid to go out to collect medicines/walk the dog within a mile of home and part of our daily exercise. Apparently all of this can be done by local community help, or volunteers, which are busy dealing with people who have greater needs than us, we are both healthy (fingers crossed) aged 66 and 73 and not in a vulnerable group. But somehow we are both stupid and its our age group that helps to spread this virus around.

I responded to that the information as above to them both, who by the way both live over 200 mls away, and reminded one of them that their past behaviour of the drug misuse nearly killed them to which I thought was bloody irresponsible, stupid and idiotic, in fact it broke my heart, watching them in hospital after having a heart attack after using too much cocaine, and even once rang me in the middle of a bender saying he wanted to end it all, and still does break my heart thinking of how they were. I have been told that to bring that up after 9 years was not the same, and I should let go, and maybe they are right, I never told them at the time, in my experience people going through that wouldn't have heard me anyway.

So now I have been sent to Coventry for that and the other has played the "do it for the grandchildren" card and wont talk to me either.

Am I wrong to ask for a bit of respect, even if they don't agree with me, and I know their concern is for the right reasons, but why should I be spoken to like that. I told one that I couldn't be held responsible for the entire group of over 70's in the country, which they didn't like.

One of them has mail delivered here and I just sent a message asking what to do with it, a curt reply came back and when I said "please?" I have received a message back saying if I didn't apologise for the serious line I crossed then they had nothing to say, but by doing all the drug misuse and further actions after, losing job, moving back in with us, helping with living cost etc,hurt, but apparently MY actions really damaged our relationship, no acknowledgement of the hurt that was caused, and never has been. So there you have it , Cant do right for doing wrong, but just now I'm in tears, they are so cruel. So once again I will not speak to them for a while, I'm too angry, hurt, and quite frankly amazed at the level of anger displayed towards me, apparently I'm lucky that they still tolerate me, and I'm told the reason the drug episode still affects me is quilt, guilt because both of them are emotional wreaks?? a lot due to the terrible time getting away from their father, and me thinking I was getting them to a better place, OMG, wrong again sad

And all of this started because I wouldn't do as I was being told (told, not asked) to do over this Coronavirus lockdown.

Are there any kind words from anyone please, I turn to this group as I have no family other than my children and of course my husband, who is not their father and not as emotionally involved, so its a lonely place sometimes.

Theoddbird Tue 05-May-20 10:38:20

You are keeping as safe as you can....you can't do any more. Just ignore your children. Do not tell them what you are doing. By the way medication can be delivered. I use Pharmacy2U. Easy to set up. Sending hugs

Xrgran Tue 05-May-20 10:39:53

Well I love my mum which is why I blew up when she said she would be going to the bank to transfer some money! I want to protect her as much as I can.

Having said that I don’t think I insulted her or swore which isn’t acceptable but it sounds as if your defensive response had only added fuel to the fire.

I’d let everyone cool off and try to approach it again in a few weeks time.

dizzygran Tue 05-May-20 10:40:39

Oh RJC I can understand your pain - maybe a wake up call for your children. Just carry on as you are. You are not putting yourself at unnecessary risk - you are just getting on with your life in a safe way - as allowed. Its your dog and you want to be the one to walk it. Give yourself some space before you contact your children - and carry on as though nothing ha happened. your son's previous drug use and health issues puts him at a greater risk than you and your DH. If neither of you has underlying issues you are following advice and not placing yourself at risk. We do our own shopping = leaving the slots open to keyworkers and vulnerable people - we use quick check out, pay by card at a t ime set aside for older people, take lists, and get in and out as quickly as we can. Difficult, but try not to raise past issues again. These times will pass and hopefully if we follow advice we will avoid the virus. No more tears - go for a walk and move on. Tomorrow is another day - enjoy it as much as you can. Have a treat - chocolate is good !!

jaylucy Tue 05-May-20 10:44:00

I have noticed over the past few years with many parents, that they almost seem to be asking for confirmation that they have been or are good parents. In fact I have several friends that seem to have turned it round to asking their children what they should do, when it comes to decision making.
I know that a lot of us will reach that point later on in our lives and your children will have to make decisions for you but the way that your "grown up" children have spoken to you is way beyond respectful and I am not surprised that you brought up their past to illustrate the times when you have been there for them.
I can see nothing wrong in what you are doing. As far as I am concerned, unless you have had the letter to say that you should be shielding and are generally in good health (let's face it, who over 40 can actually say they have no health issues at all) it is ok to follow guidance.
Don't contact them and if they contact you, they should apologise and thank you for the fact that without you, they would not be here. The letters that are being delivered to your address, if they won't give you an address to send them on to, I see no reason why you should not return to sender with "No longer at this address" written on them - the so called adult they are intended for can sort out their own postal arrangements !

amazonia Tue 05-May-20 10:44:56

My parents are in their mid 80's. My mother has some health issues, my father is extremely well. As a retired health worker my father is very good with infection control and he has taken over the shopping. I presume he also goes for a daily walk. None of my business how they conduct their lives although I might suggest something if I thought they were putting themselves at risk. My adult children would never be so abusive.
Please emotionally distance yourself from your DC, don't discuss anything personal with them. Politely remind them that you are a grown up and quite capable of making grown up decisions with the government advice.

Starblaze Tue 05-May-20 10:46:29

So they were concerned for you and upset you aren't more protected and you drag up something that happened a long time ago to throw back in their faces because "don't tell me what to do"?

I don't understand. They shouldn't have spoken to you like that but it seems like they are frustrated with you.

You owe your son an apology. He has obviously worked extremely hard to move past what must have been a difficult time in his life. You should be proud he overcame it, not throwing it in his face now.

It sounds like you have a difficult relationship with your children and you should treat them with the respect you want back or you won't get it and you will never have a good relationship.

mumofmadboys Tue 05-May-20 10:46:43

Houndi- your post is sad in the extreme and totally unhelpful to the OP.

4allweknow Tue 05-May-20 10:53:49

What you are doing seems within the recommendations. I too have been informed of all the volunteer agencies willing to do thus tgey and the other. I ho for DH medication, click and collect shopping and we both go for a daily walk. Each time I wash my hands on returning home. Your family seem to be over reacting so just keep them in the dark as to what you are doing. As to the mail, mark Not Known at this address and pop on a post box! From my experience out walking, in a store, even collecting shopping it's young folk who are doing all the non distancing, just can't wait until there is a 2 mtr gap. Don't give your family a second thought, they are being selfish and unreasonable.

Flakesdayout Tue 05-May-20 10:56:47

321123rjc - Sad to read your post. One of my sons told me off for taking a short walk 'outside' but I just had to see some different scenery and I kept safe. Now that I have done it I wont be doing it again. I had a long chat with my specialist nurse yesterday and she put things back into perspective. Im sure your children are worried for you and it has come across as quite aggressive. I would let the dust settle and not tell them so much detail in the future. I do hope things get better for you.

Harv1 Tue 05-May-20 10:58:10

Lovey my heart goes out to you !.... It’s so hurtful what some Adult Children say to us after we cared ,loved them ‘tended them ,protected them ... they all have such short memories ....... Lovey don’t just take it as it is please don’t , they have no right to talk to you like that , that is not respect at all ... Please put it out of your head let them Crack on and YOU please get on with your life !... you are worth more ... please don’t let them hurt you no more ... if I can learn at 67 to just get on and please myself then I’m sure you can to... There are loads of us out there your not alone ... ?

Jaycee5 Tue 05-May-20 11:00:22

I agree with Starblaze. People can seem a bit bossy if they are worried and think that you are not protecting yourself as much as you could.
Vulnerable people get priority for online orders although the system does not work as well as it should but that doesn't mean that no one else can order online particularly those of us who aren't vulnerable but may have difficulties shopping. Your husband is in a vulnerable group and delivery spots are opening up a bit more now particularly if you try several supermarkets regularly.
Unless you are in an area where deliveries are particularly bad, I think you could ease up and try to work with your children and understand their concerns. Slots 2 weeks apart isn't too bad.
If you enjoy going out to collect your shopping, then that is your choice and you have the right to make it but it is an additional risk.
It is very difficult to get over addiction and bringing it up as a defence in anger was unfortunate and I don't think that expecting an apology is unreasonable of your son.

EMMYPEMMY Tue 05-May-20 11:01:01

How Sad for you, do not let them blame You for their mistakes we raise our children to be nice, kind, good morals etc but whichever path they take is their doing. GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE, SHut them out for a while do not answer texts, calls etc
Then when you feel ready speak to them about their lack of respect for you, tell them you will not put up with it and if they carry on you will write them from your will.... Take Care you are doing everything you should be .. x

sazz1 Tue 05-May-20 11:02:06

Best if you just do what you want to do and totally don't tell them. I learned this early on in the lockdown when I started getting orders from DS1. Just agree with what they say and please yourself what you do. Take great care with social distancing and washing after leaving the house, for shopping dog walking exercise etc. That's what we do. Everyone is tense about the virus and tempers are running high. Many are not logical anymore and it's all coming out as anger at others. Hopefully people will slowly get back to normal in the next few months but I think some relationships will have suffered along the way.

Madwoman11 Tue 05-May-20 11:02:50

Absolutely unacceptable for anyone's children to speak to their parents way even if they are worried for your safety. Make it perfectly clear you will not tolerate disrespect, and then let them sulk.
Your mental wellbeing is also of uppermost importance.
I don't actually think you overstepped the line re drug misuse after all it caused YOU great distress, inconvenience and probably financial cost.
I have experienced very similar to you, and now after years of worrying and abuse I distance myself. We deserve peace. Inbox me anytime if you need an understanding ear x

tickingbird Tue 05-May-20 11:02:51

Someone has posted that you owe your son an apology!!! You most certainly do not. What nampy pampy nonsense. Your son owes you an apology. Don’t be cowed by such ungrateful, rude AC. Live your life and don’t run everything by them.

Theowlandthepussycat1 Tue 05-May-20 11:04:37

Please stand your ground & don't grovel to your children. You sound eminently sensible. You are not responsible for their reaction & quite frankly they sound a little bullying & manipulative. I can well understand your trauma & concern over their past lifestyle choices & as a mother being in the situation to support them with seemingly no acknowledgement. That is fairly common but nevertheless hurtful & you were justified in bringing it up because it obviously matters to you & needs at some point to be discussed. Actions have consequences & part of rehabilitation is acknowledging that & the impact behaviour has on others before moving on to a better place. The fact that was turned against you suggests they are too fragile & guilty to deal with the truth so let it go for now. As Shakespeare observed "...sharper than a serpent's tooth it is, to have an ungrateful child." Stand your ground, keep your identity, enjoy your vigour & your daily walks, don't allow your self to be categorised. There will be better times ahead, you will be enjoying friends again and in all likelihood your children will come back to you. You will have to ignore them for now, curiosity will get the better of them! Hope you find peace.

sarahellenwhitney Tue 05-May-20 11:08:11

Why oh why give your children a commentary on your daily life.? They are, as you say 200 miles away so ignore them and their 'holier than thou' attitude as I cannot see them arriving to do a day to day spot check on what you should and should not be doing.

Tricia55 Tue 05-May-20 11:09:19

Hi, Id let phone go onto answer phone.
Step back, they're 200 miles away, they can't come banging on your door.
I'd definitely do my own thing, lockdown is bad enough without your so called adult kids making it worse.
Triciaflowers

LuckyFour Tue 05-May-20 11:10:08

Don't tell them what you're doing. Lie if you want to/have to. You are following the rules, carry on.
It's annoying that over 70s have been told something different from the rest of the population and it makes some people think we are having to stay in so we won't pass on the virus. The truth is we are staying in because if we catch the virus we are more likely to die with it. There is a big distinction and some people don't get it.
Your children are unfortunately rather unkind and should be supporting you not criticising you.

GoldenAge Tue 05-May-20 11:19:43

This is all the fault of our degenerating society - one that somehow pushes people into drug addiction (lack of mental health support, feelings of entitlement, and organised criminals supplying drugs). The drug addiction of some years ago should not have been brought up, and the rudeness of the children should not have happened - this may be a sign of the relationship between you. As far as your lockdown position is concerned, you can go out to walk the dog and collect medication and essential food and if you're keeping within half a mile of your home I don't see a problem - but your 70 year old OH is in a vulnerable age group and it doesn't matter how fit he is, his mortality should he contract Cvid19 is 70% - it's directly related to age so you have to ask yourself whether you're prepared to take the risk for him and yourself (i.e. he only has a 30% chance of survival if he gets it), and if you're prepared to take the risk for other people. I know what you mean about delivery slots, I am still unable to get one after all these weeks because whilst both being 70+ we've never had one previously. But there are lots of volunteer groups as your children say. And if you're stuck to find one, your GP's surgery will be able to tell you what's available.

Rumpunch Tue 05-May-20 11:25:15

I'm in my 60's with grandchildren of my own but I do 'boss' my mother around sometimes. She frequently asks me when she became the child and I became the parent but laughs as she says it. Mainly it is because she thinks she is able to do more than she can and tries to be independent.
HOWEVER- this is only when she wants to do more than she and I know she is capable of. I would not expect her to rely on help if it is something I can do or help her with.
In the current situation I do not like her going out and so insist on doing her shopping but this is because I care about her. My brother on the other hand would just let her get on with it. If she goes out I would not call her an idiot or anything similar but remind her that it is to keep us all safe.

Bbbface Tue 05-May-20 11:25:52

You thought his drug misuse was * which I thought was bloody irresponsible, stupid and idiotic*. It was a mental health addiction. It speaks volumes that this is how you view that time.

I suspect you’re children are behaving towards you (rudely and full of judgment) as you have done to them in the paat

busyb Tue 05-May-20 11:29:31

Now is a very strange and scary time for everyone and I would like to think your adult children were cross because they were worried about you and the situation.
You are following government guidelines and only going out for exercise and shopping so they are in the wrong and had no call to speak to you like that, although perhaps it wasn't wise to bring up the drug abuse it's done now.

To keep in contact with your grandchildren, I would carry on as usual and maintain contact with the adults even if you don't receive a reply, no explanations, no excuses just contact them as usual, then it is all down to them.

You cannot change what happened when they were children, they are now adults and need to get past it if they want to move on.

They should be supporting you but you always have Gransnet.

EmilyHarburn Tue 05-May-20 11:29:38

Sorry your children are bullying you. You are not in the shielding grup so you are free to do the things you are doing. I am not sure how they know so much about you as they live 200 miles away.

a lot of my elderly friends have children who are always trying to limit what they do. For example one runs a business and her children think she should give it up yet its her whole enjoyment and her husband , their father, who died bought it for her as her pension in retirement so it goes on.

You have been given a lot of good advice on this thread. Hope you fine a happy solution and get on with your life and howyou wish to elad it. All the best.

Susieq62 Tue 05-May-20 11:30:43

Your children sound extremely selfish and thoughtless. You are fine to go for a walk, collect medicines , enjoy the life you have within the boundaries we are currently given.
If my daughter ever spoke to me in that manner, we would definitely fall out big time.
You have done your best to support them over the years. They are adults , not children anymore and should respect you for the help you have given. You have every right to express your angst over the drug abuse.
Do not allow them to use emotional blackmail. You know how to stay safe, you got out of a bad relationship so that speaks realms.
Do what YOU want to do, read, bake, exercise, listen to music, relax. As for the mail, just redirect it without a comment. In fact, don’t tell them anything and enjoy your time with your husband. He deserves you, they don’t. One life, live it!!!