4th Covid Vaccine Refusal?

Had none.
Got covid before it was even a certain thing. Then got long covid. Again, medical profession did not know how to deal with it. Had blood clot.

Not had a thing, including any vaccinations, since.

Did have the flu vaccination for the first time ever.
There seemed to be lots of odd viruses around this Autumn. I had flu before, several times in my 20s.
Didnt fancy flu this winter so had the jab.

Thankfully the lockdown policy did work in U.K. prior to effective vaccines being developed, otherwise there would have been even more deaths.

I’m not sure there is enough shared data from China to know what went on there.

The ONS infection surveillance, which is still in operation in the U.K. has been effective in tracking covid variants, and population levels of immunity after infection and vaccination. This should give early warning of variants of concern circulating, and also provide information which will be fed into vaccine development and update.

The dose of COVID dh and I both had just after last Christmas was extremely mild - nothing like the horrible bug I went down with at the end of October. Not quite as bad as proper flu, but not far off,

Before catching COVID we’d had, and have continued to have, every vaccine offered, inc. flu, and will have any more that are offered. I did have slight reactions to the first 2 COVID jabs, but nothing to make a fuss about.

I simply do not understand non-acceptance of vaccination invitations.

DH and I have gratefully accepted every vaccination offered, at 81 and 77 respectively we are thankful for anything that keeps us out of hospital. Only the mildest of after-effects, more from the flu vaccine than the Covid one. We haven't had any colds or flu for years, but I did get a light dose of Strep A - at least I think it was, I'm prone to pharyngitis so it might have been that.

OK, I can't now find the article I read that said there actually are new variants currently in China, (I didn't know in advance that I would be posting about it, or I'd have taken a note. If it appears soon, I will add a link) but a lot of experts are saying that China has not been sharing with other countries the genetic analysis of CoVid samples, and have cut down on sampling, so Chinese official figures may be a bit economical with the details. Also, the larger the numbers of infections, the more variants are likely to appear, and vaccination uptake does seem to be low in China.

Dated 21st December. "While many other nations vaccinated their populations in 2021 and boosted in 2022, rates of vaccination in China are comparatively low: only about 50% of the population have received three shots. China has only recently been encouraging the vaccination of the elderly and vulnerable.

The true extent of Covid-19 in China is now unknown, given the fall in testing. Other countries have learned the painful way that pretending Covid-19 doesn’t exist doesn’t mean the disease disappears. Experts following the situation estimate that 60% of the Chinese population (accounting for 10% of the world’s population) will be infected in the next 90 days. Given these infection levels and the population’s low immunity, deaths could rise to close to 9,000 a day by the end of March.

But like the true number of Covid cases, China’s official death toll isn’t reliable right now. The Chinese government isn’t reporting Covid-19 deaths: as crematoriums fill up, officials are staying quiet.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/21/china-covid-surge-vaccination-data-infected

There's so much misinterpretation of facts and jumping to conclusions when it comes to Covid, or any other infectious illness, I suppose. I hope you don't think I'm getting at you Elegran, that is not my intention. But..

The existence of sub variants of Omicron is not the same as there being "new variants of Covid".

50% of the population having 3 shots is not the same as a "largely unvaccinated population".

Somebody upthread said "Coughs and sneezes spread diseases". Well, in addition to that..."Careless talk costs lives"

I do think you should really think about having your vaccine.
It does reduce the seriousness of the virus should you catch it.
I understand some people can have some side effects but I would rather have a few days of being unwell than suffer from Covid.

I don't understand why some people are refusing to have a 4th vaccine. Both my DH and I have had four. At the moment he's tested positive for Covid, but he's not too bad. I haven't got it though. Strange, isn't it?

I have had five jabs but still went down with COVID just after Xmas.I caught it from my 16 year old grandson.I felt really rough and am still not 100%.It has left me with a cough and tiredness.Not good.
Barbarax

Having had blood cancer and therefore immunocompromised I’ve had 6 covid jabs plus the flu jab. No reaction except a sore arm for a few days. Also had the 2 doses of the non- live shingles jab that my gp surgery told me about. Hubby had to have it too as if he had the live one it could have put me at risk,he did have a really bad reaction to both jabs but he was prepared to put up with that to protect me - bless him.
Covid is still around so we keep to ourselves and mask up when out,just so grateful for all the vaccines and to our surgery for arranging for us to have them. Just wish the gvt would allow such as me to have the evusheld vaccine that is now available.

The new study on the bivalent vaccines from Cleveland Ohio done on 50,000 participants is quite startling to say the least.
The results are, that the more vaccines you have had, the higher your chance of getting Covid.
1 dose = 1.7 times more likely to test positive for Covid
2 doses = 2.63 times more likely to test positive for Covid
3 doses = 3.1 times more likely to test positive for Covid
More than 3 doses = 3.8 times more likely to test positive for Covid

The multivariable analyses also found that, the more recent the last prior COVID-19 episode was the lower the risk of COVID-19, and that the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19.

Nobody ever said the vaccine would stop us catching Covid, but that it mitigates the effects, reduces the impact on our system and effectively downgrading it in most cases to a manageable illness instead of a life threatening one.
That said, I do not follow the logic of this graph and from my own perspective have had all the jabs and boosters going but have not yet ever tested positive.

I’ve not had my fourth one because I was so ill after the 3rd and I’ve had covid twice

Normandygirl

The new study on the bivalent vaccines from Cleveland Ohio done on 50,000 participants is quite startling to say the least.
The results are, that the more vaccines you have had, the higher your chance of getting Covid.
1 dose = 1.7 times more likely to test positive for Covid
2 doses = 2.63 times more likely to test positive for Covid
3 doses = 3.1 times more likely to test positive for Covid
More than 3 doses = 3.8 times more likely to test positive for Covid

The multivariable analyses also found that, the more recent the last prior COVID-19 episode was the lower the risk of COVID-19, and that the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19.

This is why everyone should do more maths.

It takes time to get more vaccine doses. The comparison does not seem to be at the same point in time; so in moving from say 2 doses to 3 doses, a significant amount of time goes by and so you are more likely to be exposed to Covid again.

Probably. With no commentary on the graph and how it was created, it's difficult to draw proper conclusions.

2/10. Must try harder.

Link to the paper?

volver

Normandygirl

The new study on the bivalent vaccines from Cleveland Ohio done on 50,000 participants is quite startling to say the least.
The results are, that the more vaccines you have had, the higher your chance of getting Covid.
1 dose = 1.7 times more likely to test positive for Covid
2 doses = 2.63 times more likely to test positive for Covid
3 doses = 3.1 times more likely to test positive for Covid
More than 3 doses = 3.8 times more likely to test positive for Covid

The multivariable analyses also found that, the more recent the last prior COVID-19 episode was the lower the risk of COVID-19, and that the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19.

This is why everyone should do more maths.

It takes time to get more vaccine doses. The comparison does not seem to be at the same point in time; so in moving from say 2 doses to 3 doses, a significant amount of time goes by and so you are more likely to be exposed to Covid again.

Probably. With no commentary on the graph and how it was created, it's difficult to draw proper conclusions.

2/10. Must try harder.

Link to the paper?

I thought the link was the whole paper but it seems only the graph appeared, It's a large pdf file but just google Cleveland Ohio study. My post was just giving the conclusion of the study.
The study was over 3 months and was comparing vaccinated against unvaccinated, so time between doses has no bearing on the conclusions
I don't advocate either for or against the vaccine as I think everyone should look at all evidence, evaluate their own risk/benefit and make their own decision.

I was just thinking that maybe those having more vaccines were more likely to get Covid anyway because the reasons they were keen to have the vaccines was because they were mixing with many people and just generally more at risk because of their lifestyles. Just a thought but I also wonder whether the Cleveland researchers had considered this as a factor. What was the quote again about lies,damned lies and statistics ?

Sorry Normandygirl. I Googled Cleveland Ohio Covid study, but couldn't find the original article. Please could you post a direct link.

I have decided not to get my 4th after talking with my doctor. I ended up with psoriasis (not caused by the vaccine). We do not want to send my immune system out of control just to have a shot that was made specifically for a previous strain. If it was updated for current strains, I would take the risk and get it.

I also am not opposed to wearing masks to protect myself and others.

Also want to add for those who like the statistics.

I did not get my vaccines because I wanted to be out in the world. Lock down was great for me because I am an introvert and homebody.

I have never had Covid (that I know of). My DD caught it, she only had 2 of the jabs. The rest of us in the house with 3 jabs did not get it despite her being in the same house while she was contagious.

growstuff

Sorry Normandygirl. I Googled Cleveland Ohio Covid study, but couldn't find the original article. Please could you post a direct link.

This is what I found growstuff.

Not peer reviewed, a preprint.

yournews.com/2022/12/22/2478345/study-mrna-vaccines-increase-risk-of-contracting-covid-19-each-booster/

Normandygirl

The new study on the bivalent vaccines from Cleveland Ohio done on 50,000 participants is quite startling to say the least.
The results are, that the more vaccines you have had, the higher your chance of getting Covid.
1 dose = 1.7 times more likely to test positive for Covid
2 doses = 2.63 times more likely to test positive for Covid
3 doses = 3.1 times more likely to test positive for Covid
More than 3 doses = 3.8 times more likely to test positive for Covid

The multivariable analyses also found that, the more recent the last prior COVID-19 episode was the lower the risk of COVID-19, and that the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19.

Did they allow fot the fact that possibly those who were keen to get the vaccines were more likely to test more often as they were more aware of the risks of covid and wanted to avoid them? Just a thought. Prepared to be shot down.

Normandygirl I wonder if the figures actually mean that

No vaccines, we were in lockdown and many many people had Covid.

After the Vaccines were introduced more people were out and about so caught Covid, by the time most people had had 3 vaccines things were more normal,
masks had been left at home,
people were more relaxed about the chances of catching Covid we now see more people again with Covid. But deaths are down.
I think you can skew the facts and come up with ‘More Vaccines mean more cases of Covid’

No. Will be having it