Harry: "I want my Father back. I want my brother back"

Annie he had an affair. Affairs involve lying (lots of it) to everyone you know. This is damaging to children. I dont judge it for reasons I dont particularly want to discuss. But I understand it and what it means in terms of behaviour over long periods of time. The cycle is likely to continue from Charles to Harry and onwards. In the way it has for many famous families.

I agree Rosie that H needs to be a victim. He needs to think about how his behaviour may affect his own children if he continues to behave in this way as they grow, and how me may have already impacted on his niece and nephews.

For me, he is the abuser and from the clips of his interviews I have seen, appears to be revelling in the attention he's receiving with no thought for anyone else.

For C's and W, talk of there being so much more he could have included in this book, when it's well known there's supposed to be 3 in total from him, must be like having the Sword of Damocles hanging over them.

It may well have felt like that for the late Queen when the release of the Oprah interview was awaited, with all of those salacious preview clips to wet the appetite. All of that going on while her husband of 70 years was very ill. She was also aware of his forthcoming book and even if she knew it was not going to be published in her life time, she must have feared for her family.

Having an affair does not mean always loved , same as relationships, I certainly didn’t remain ‘always in love’ did you?

For me, he is the abuser and from the clips of his interviews I have seen, appears to be revelling in the attention he's receiving with no thought for anyone else.

I think he's cruel and spiteful and a bit of a bully and not the compassionate campaigner he seems to think he is.

Harry has quoted Diana , when he was born Charles said
‘Wonderful, now you have given me a heir and a spare’.

Diana claimed in the Morton book, Charles said ‘oh god it’s a boy and it even has red hair’. She also said that was when their
marriage’went bang down the drain’.

I never believed her claim - she had a scan so knew Harry was a boy but didn’t tell Charles.

I recall there was pressure for Charles to marry, Galaxy, and of course he had to have the Queen’s approval of his bride. Having an affair and not marrying wasn’t an option for him.

Well yes it's a dreadful system for many inside it.

She wouldn’t necessarily have known the sex of the baby from a scan in those days - I wasn’t offered that level of information in 1985.

She said she had a scan and knew it was a boy , in the Morton book,

Do we believe her?

Imo Harry has serious mental health problems. One of his therapists said he had never recovered from the death of his mother. Ok some people recover from such events but some don’t. We are not all the same. I think the RF were and are aware that Harry has struggled with his mental health for some time - he refers to William asking him to get help. That being so I think they are keeping quiet and are ready to pick up the pieces if anything goes wrong in his relationship with Megan. If it did as some like to predict I don’t think Harry would survive it. The Queen feared he loved Megan too much. One day he will realise that like Diane she is not a perfect person. Nobody is.

If his mental health was so fragile he would not have been put on the front line in Afghanistan - twice.

GSM. It doesn’t matter if we believe her re the scan, what concerns me is Harry quotes her, Morton quoted her, both could be lies.

in the morton book , it says she knew it was a boy but, it goes on to say she didn't tell charles because she knew he wanted a girl so let him wait and see!

Oh, Harry is a victim, but one entirely of his own making; he just doesn't realise it, yet.
He has renounced everything that once was dear to him, family, friends, position, role, duties, background and country, and for what? His obsessive love for a woman who has manipulated him from day one.

He has made her a fortune, given her the home, publicity and the place on the red carpet she so long desired, estranged himself from his entire family and upset many more in the process; in fact, sold his birthright for a mess of pottage.

I have no predictions about his marriage; it is Meghan who will decide that.
But does he appear happier and more content?
I think not.

I couldn’t agree more eazybee.

A mess of pottage and thirty pieces of silver too.

I f Diana’s account of knowing the baby’s sex is true it shows just how deceitful she was.

There are signs, according to Palace sources so they say😄that there will be a reconciliation between Charles and Harry and William before the coronation.
I think it’s damage limitation as they think Harry will keep sniping for years otherwise, so probably a wise move.

I am one of very few who has always thought her deceitful and not the naive, madly in love 19 year old.

He’s signed up to write several books and I wouldn’t trust him not to reveal whatever is said to him. I can understand Charles wanting to heal the rift but not sure William would, unless he sees H’s comment that he has more hurtful material that he hasn’t used as a threat of blackmail. And I don’t imagine they would get an ecstatic reception from the public if they come here for the coronation.

Allsorts

VS why do you keep referring to your mother, we don’t know her, only what you say about her.

Because this is the estrangement forum Allsorts and this is where we discuss estrangement.

You also discuss your estrangement here

100% with you there Annie. I have said before that a good friend used to go shooting with the Spencers and the image he painted of the young Diana was totally at odds with the public perception of the naive young girl.

Germanshepherdsmum

I f Diana’s account of knowing the baby’s sex is true it shows just how deceitful she was.

Well, why wasn't Charles with her for the scan? Most husbands accompany their wives.

Perhaps he was and what she said wasn’t true?

Why would Diana lie about that?

I think a lot of hospitals had policies not to reveal that information but were able too.. private health care was probably a whole different game