Harry: "I want my Father back. I want my brother back"

So if Charles did say "Oh, it's a boy...", thus sounding surprised, either he was with Diana for the scan and they weren't told the sex, or she went on her own and was told, and kept it a secret because she knew he wanted a girl (which is a pointless desire because we don't get to choose).

Sparklefizz

Germanshepherdsmum

I f Diana’s account of knowing the baby’s sex is true it shows just how deceitful she was.

Well, why wasn't Charles with her for the scan? Most husbands accompany their wives.

Mine didn't. Perhaps some do.
I wasn't told the sex of the baby either, the sonographer refused.

from The Times;
Royals want face-to-face peace talks between William and Harry at Windsor BEFORE Charles's coronation in May 'to avoid it becoming a circus' - with source close to the King insisting: 'It is going to take flexibility on ALL sides... but it CAN be done'

Perhaps Charles was with her for the scan, I can’t recall any
denial or comment from him when the Morton book was published .

Germanshepherdsmum

Perhaps he was and what she said wasn’t true?

and perhaps he was and what she told Morton was the truth!

Sometimes at scans it isn’t possible to tell the sex of the baby or that’s how it used to be.

I saw clearly on the scan my second AC was a boy and wasn't surprised when I was told. With my daughter when she went to look I could see quite clearly I had a little girl but didn't believe it until it was said. But my scans were all in the 00s and I don't know how clear they were in the late 80s

We are talking about scans

Hopefully it's OK to mention my experience with scans lol

I think peace talks is a very brave step from Charles and presumably William too. If they do take place and if Harry once again betrays them by making the conversations public, at least there can be no doubt as to who is really at fault.

I think you could be right GSM, even with peace talks with his family, Harry certainly hasn't endeared himself to the British public. Yes he has supporters but there are who knows how many, who will have no time for him now.

DS was born in 1983 and I had several scans because I was so big and there are twins in the family, but we were never asked if we wanted to know what sex he was going to be. His brother was born 20 months later an we weren't given the option then either.

lemsip

from The Times;
Royals want face-to-face peace talks between William and Harry at Windsor BEFORE Charles's coronation in May 'to avoid it becoming a circus' - with source close to the King insisting: 'It is going to take flexibility on ALL sides... but it CAN be done'

Of course it can be done, but be under no illusions it will probably happen again. And again. And again. People don't really change.
My father estranged me from birth. He worked overseas and told my mum, if it's a boy, send a telegramme, if it's a girl don't bother, just write. I had to write letters to him every fortnight telling him about school, dance and friends. I saw him maybe once every three years. It was cruel. I never wanted conflict, I was never bitter, I invited him to give me away at my wedding for the sake of propriety. I thought bridges might have been mended to some extent, but he repaid me by selfishly committing suicide a few weeks after my first baby was born, my mum having already passed away. Cruel again, as was his last Will.

But hey ho, I am happy. I try to see the best in everyone, always have, and I think Charles, who conforms to a certain moral behaviour, will try to do the same with Harry. I just hope Charles treads carefully. I hope Harry has enough respect to shut up. The key for me was having a wonderful partner in my husband who never fuelled the situation, which I am sure Meghan is unfortunately doing.
Sorry, that's a bit of a long explanation to the quote by lemsip.

Joseanne that is a truly heartfelt post

I’m so sorry Joseanne. How awful for you but I’m glad you found happiness.

My parents lived with my paternal grandmother when I was born. She told Mum not to bother bringing me back if I was a girl. It was pretty clear that Dad would have preferred a boy too.

Joseanne, with your forgiving nature you were destined for happiness. I’m glad you’ve found it.

VioletSky

If I had been trashed all over the press, in often racially loaded ways and my own father and brother stood back and said nothing...

I'd be wanting my father and brother back too, in the roles they should have inhabited from the beginning.

This is what happens when you have a an image motivated family invested in rug sweeping and you try to tell the truth because your childhood and your own family have harmed you.

Only in this case, it has played out in the public eye and quite a lot of the public are just as invested in the image of the royal family as the royal family themselves..

Thank you, Violet Sky,
so nice to read your message after so much rubbish has been printed.

I think more people would be sympathetic to Harry and Meghan if they hadn't been caught out in so many lies.

Does anyone have a list of the lies and the proof they were? Is there an article? I've seen this stated many times but haven't been able to see it proven other than people saying it's a lie which is also technically questionable

25Avalon

Sometimes at scans it isn’t possible to tell the sex of the baby or that’s how it used to be.

When our third and forth were born, you could ask. Placement of the baby didn't always lead to sonographer knowing with certainty. We were told the last may be a boy and she's not.

Joseanne I'm sorry

You are surely a strong woman.

wicklowwinnie

VioletSky

If I had been trashed all over the press, in often racially loaded ways and my own father and brother stood back and said nothing...

I'd be wanting my father and brother back too, in the roles they should have inhabited from the beginning.

This is what happens when you have a an image motivated family invested in rug sweeping and you try to tell the truth because your childhood and your own family have harmed you.

Only in this case, it has played out in the public eye and quite a lot of the public are just as invested in the image of the royal family as the royal family themselves..

Thank you, Violet Sky,
so nice to read your message after so much rubbish has been printed.

But haven't Charles and William and so many others of the family been trashed all over the press for many years?

The policy seems to have been to remain above all the trash printed, not respond to all the lurid stories in the media.

This is blame-shifting.
It is the media at fault here, not Charles and William.

Charles also wrote a book and gave interviews

Have you read it?

He was very aware of the damage the press does and yet, still didn't do the right thing...

Possibly because the publicity brings in the money and keeps the royal family relevant.

There are very many people now who would happily see them abolished.

Family should come before any job really

Have you read it?

No, have you?

I did see his interview but it was so long ago.

It has now been recognised that Diana was fraudulently manipulated in that famous interview with Bashir.
You'd think Harry would have thought carefully whether or not he is now doing the right thing, bearing that interview in mind.

I would say Charles has been trashed a great deal over the years - his comments about the environment way before it was fashionable, talking to his plants, his interest in architecture, being lampooned in cartoons with huge jug ears. He also put up with very hostile comments about Camilla. Harry’s fall from popularity is entirely self-inflicted.

Lots of comments on mental health here. Strange that no one seems to have a problem with being an internet psychiatrist. Degrees all from the University of Gransnet, I suppose.

Tell me if you recognize this obsessive behavior:

When a relationship ends, and the other person who ended it and has not spoken to you, yet you almost obsessively speak about them and their spouse on a near daily basis, is that mentally healthy?

When you repeat the same things over and over and over and over about the ended relationship, even though the party who ended it hasn’t outreached you in months or years, is that mentally healthy? Does this show a person is moving on? Is it coping?

Harry has been much criticized for going on and on in the media about his family troubles. Is it better to do the same thing on the internet? Does it make it better to be anonymous somehow? If Harry should get over a failed relationship with his family, should we ALL stop being hypocrites and do the same?

Is it okay to whinge and moan daily about those who do not wish to have relationships with us if you are not famous?

Slagging families members off that you’ve fallen out with on the internet is morally superior to doing so with a book or interview? After all, they cannot defend themselves on online forums. We are only getting one side. I see that line used her for another poster. I’m just wandering if those slinging that around have ever taken a look in the mirror.

Other interesting questions. If you can pretend you know better than the parents of children that don’t know you, and also have family who do not want you around their children, could it be that you likely think you knew better than the parents of the children whom you are not allowed around? If I were assigning the label “toxic” to an environment I’ve never been in, I might take a look at why I myself may be viewed as too toxic to be around the children who would have been in my own life.

Self reflection is hard isn’t it?

Might my own projection of a failed relationship be colouring my opinion on these celebs whom I don’t know? Maybe. I would think so if any of the above applied to me.

If I presume to know the inner workings of a relationship I’ve never gotten close enough to sniff, maybe I should stop presuming to know the dynamics of my sons’ relationships. Maybe I should take my own advice about Harry and stop obsessing about my sons and their wives, whom would be 1000% justified in their dislike of me if these online forums were a fraction of an indication of my true personality.

Maybe like Harry, many of us should suck it up and get on with life instead of obsessing on the internet nearly daily about those who do not wish to reconcile, or those rightfully keeping me at arms length. But such conclusions would take a non-hypocrite to come to them. Alas, we will likely continue to be Gransnet Harry’s, slagging off family on the most public entity known to mankind (the internet). Refusing to cope in a healthy manner. Refusing to get on with life. Posting bitter obsessive rantings instead of reflecting and doing better. He did it in a book. Where do you rant and rave about your family?

Jonathan Dimbleby has said on Radio 4 that he is perplexed by Harry's book.

The biography of Charles was nothing like this book of Harry's.

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