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marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 12:42:44

I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.

I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.

rosesarered Fri 05-May-17 20:11:11

durhamjen keeps telling posters to go away/ leave the thread, ( if they disagree with her) so that's what it means.
Ignoring some posters is good for my sanity though.grin

Jalima1108 Fri 05-May-17 20:16:08

A Corbynite has claimed?..... Not Jeremy himself, just some anonymous person. And where was that said, the Daily Mail?
Annie, just about all your objections refer to media reports and twisted words, which have been going on from the beginning.
grin grin grin

anniebach I never took you for a Daily Mail reader
ROFL
With that hilarious thought I will go and do something useful!

rosesarered Fri 05-May-17 20:47:44

cafecupcake Jalima ?

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 20:55:34

I buy my veg from a local small organic business, veg is delivered in a box with newspaper wrappings, they know not to even put the mail in with my veg grin

I didn't know a poster on this forum wrote for the mail !

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 21:00:13

Thank you Rosesarered , so when Jen tells me to shut up she is discouraging me from posting, when GG suffers another mouth gaping yawn she is really telling me to stop posting boring posts? And I thought she was an insomnia sufferer,

Ana Fri 05-May-17 21:03:15

No, they're just boring each other (and the rest of us...)

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 21:03:26

Jen posted that claim with no link but later explained it was a quote from that tv actress who is now MP for the constituency which was the constituency of Joe Cox .

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 21:04:48

Got it Ana, thank you

durhamjen Fri 05-May-17 21:11:55

No she isn't, Annie, you mix up your actors just like everything else.

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 21:28:15

I got the wrong MP, sorry

Beammeupscottie Fri 05-May-17 21:30:16

Honestly dj you are so rude to people who disagree with you.

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 21:51:48

Jen enjoys insulting anyone who doesn't worship at the shrine of her hero Corbyn

Beammeupscottie Fri 05-May-17 21:56:04

A pity that energy is wasted on such a little plonker.
Incidentally, he will always be "covered" by Momentum fans (usually women) to try and look popular. Embarrassing really.

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 21:59:12

He does seem to attract women Beam ,

Beammeupscottie Fri 05-May-17 22:04:42

Like flies to manure?

Anniebach Fri 05-May-17 22:09:01

Beam grin

Eloethan Sat 06-May-17 00:48:29

"Anniebach
"He [Corbyn] does seem to attract women Beam

Beammeupscottie
"Like flies to manure?

Anniebach
"Beam grin"

Those sort of remarks are in line with Michelle Obama's advice "When they go low, go high" are they anniebach?

Many of the posters attacking the Labour Party seem incapable of putting forward a political argument based on issues but rely almost entirely on vile comments and sarcastic remarks - and then wonder why people snap back. BUT I would say it's a new low to describe those who disagree with the attacks on Corbyn as "flies on manure".

And it was the constituents of Merthyr Tidfyl who joined with mainstream opinion, egged on by the right wing press, to turn on Keir Hardie because of his opposition to the Boer War and WWI. In the book "What would Keir Hardie say?" (which I have) it is stated that "jingoists prevented him speaking, even in his own constituency of Merthyr Tydfil." His future son in law Emrys Hughes describes how Hardie was pursued by a "howling mob" but remained "one of the grandest men that had ever braved the rabble".

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 08:30:57

I have read it. It was commissioned by the Keir Hardie society and is a collection of essays , nine contributed, one was Jeremy Corbyn .

Eloethan Sat 06-May-17 08:38:27

And your point is?

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 08:43:49

My point is I read the book , see no point in discussing it when you make a point of posting the line describing the people of Merthyr as the rabble.

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 09:08:36

I'm afraid I don't think people today could give a damn about Keir Hardie. I wonder how many have even heard of him?

Have you read anything by current MPs such as Wes Streeting or Clive Lewis? Or followed MPs such as Debbie Abrahams, Sarah Champion or Jess Phillips on Twitter? They are doing their best to hang on to their Labour seats and, by all accounts, are good constituency MPs.

They are frequently attacked on the one hand by those on the left of the Labour Party and I don't suppose it helps that they can't count on the support of people of those within the LP, who claim to be on their side. The national media picks up on anti-Corbyn comments, which will count against them. People will respect their MPs, but be affected by the national smears.

It's unlikely Corbyn will still be leader in 2022. With a bit of luck, it will find somebody effective, but it will be too late. Voters will have chosen a government, which acts against their interests and could be landed with an MP less effective than the ones they have now.

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 09:11:50

It was Keir Hardie's son-in-law who wrote of a rabble. Airbrushing history isn't helpful. As with all historical writing, it was an interpretation of how the people behaved. I expect there are other interpretations out there.

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 09:13:01

Daphne, this has been my fear from shortly after Corbyn became leader. I said then the party was heading for a repeat of the wilderness years .

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 09:14:35

Nine contributors yet the poster chose that one line to repeat ! Coincidence ?

durhamjen Sat 06-May-17 09:26:18

So what did you think of Corbyn's chapter, Annie?
When you first read it, Annie, not now.