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The Queen’s speech

(194 Posts)
Whitewavemark2 Mon 20-Dec-21 06:56:07

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Anniebach Sat 25-Dec-21 17:45:03

You are policing posters comments

FarNorth Sat 25-Dec-21 17:46:51

Catch-22 innit.

Alegrias1 Sat 25-Dec-21 17:55:48

So it's disrespectful to say the RF live off the taxpayer but ok to say an old lady needs a new bra and needs to pull her dress down?

I think we need a recalibration here of what is appropriate. She's not your mum, show some respect.

paddyann54 Sat 25-Dec-21 18:04:51

Not so long ago there were reams of comments about Lizzie sitting on a gold throne wearing millions+ pounds of jewels on her head and preaching to the country that "her government" wanted us all to tighten our belts at the same time her greedy wee paw was outstreched to refill her coffers .Lets get this right I DONT HATE LIZZIE ...just every thing she stands for .A decent human wouldn't watch people go hungry or live on the streets while using tax havens to protect"her people ".
Everyone in real life who I know understand that I am anti monarchy ...always was .always will be .I really cant understand why so many on here are so invested in people thay dont know and who couldn't care less about them ,Me? I care about folk who dont have power or wealth and NEED a helping hand .

Oldbat1 Sat 25-Dec-21 18:09:08

She is amazing for her age. I agree she has definitely lost weight and could do with more supportive undergarments. Having said that how many people of her age even wear bras? I know my mum and mil stopped doing so in their 80s. It was a good sincere speech I felt.

Barmeyoldbat Sat 25-Dec-21 18:09:36

The difference Annie posters are picking on just one person who is anti monarchy and her views are well known.

Anniebach Sat 25-Dec-21 18:12:32

Yes very well known and very repetitive

Barmeyoldbat Sat 25-Dec-21 18:31:46

Yes, so, as are many other views

nadateturbe Sat 25-Dec-21 19:05:06

Well I've watched again. Yes the first part was very sad of course when she talked about her husband as you would expect. Her bereavement was very recent.

Jaberwok Sat 25-Dec-21 19:06:20

Calling people parasites is horrible and totally unnecessary. Surely somebody can articulate their views clearly without having to resort to offensive language. Nobody can help the family they're born into, and yes We are all entitled to our views, (even those of us who support the monarchy!) but why be offensive when airing those views?

Alegrias1 Sat 25-Dec-21 19:11:31

Does nobody else think it's offensive to say our Head of State needs a better bra?

Just me then?

In all seriousness, this is another problem with monarchy. People think they have the right to comment on the way a complete stranger looks when they get old, while they pretend they are respectful of her.

Hypocritical.

Jaberwok Sat 25-Dec-21 19:26:08

I certainly didn't comment on how the Queen was dressed or her underclothes,I was actually more interested in what she had to say. However as I remember the death of her father quite well and certainly her coronation , what a long day that was for a 10 year old, I have over the years felt both affection and latterly concern for a now elderly lady that has been part of the fabric of this country for so many years. She's a fantastic woman, but of course that is just my opinion.

Anniebach Sat 25-Dec-21 19:32:45

I really don’t understand why women, some who have been widowed , are concerned with her bra.

The Queen has never talked of her private emotions, today she
spoke of her husband of 70 years, she spoke of him when she first met him and when he died, she misses him .

Sweetpeasue Sat 25-Dec-21 19:33:34

I posted earlier about what I thought was a moving address to the nation.
I understand that certain posters are very anti-royal so have an axe to grind and it's apparently expected by gransnetters who have been here muchonger than I.
However, let's not get carried away by what are mere observations about dress( one which I noticed myself) and those comments from posters which are coming from a completely different place.

Alegrias1 Sat 25-Dec-21 19:39:57

Sweetpeasue

I posted earlier about what I thought was a moving address to the nation.
I understand that certain posters are very anti-royal so have an axe to grind and it's apparently expected by gransnetters who have been here muchonger than I.
However, let's not get carried away by what are mere observations about dress( one which I noticed myself) and those comments from posters which are coming from a completely different place.

So I reiterate; people who think its unacceptable to criticise the fiscal organisation of Royal family, but think its OK to comment on her appearance, have got their priorities very mixed up indeed.

The woman has lived all these years with dignity and is renowned for the fact that she commands respect from many people. Commenting on her underwear is scandalous.

Sweetpeasue Sat 25-Dec-21 19:44:18

Yes Anniebach The Queen does not usually speak personally as she did today about how she misses her husband. It was very touching.

Sweetpeasue Sat 25-Dec-21 19:51:52

I was merely trying to point out that some of the posts come from an aggressive place Allegrias. Not all can be lumped in the same way.
Not everything is black and white.
Merry Christmas.

Alegrias1 Sat 25-Dec-21 19:57:44

Yes some posts are maybe aggressive. I'm not a monarchist so personally I don't see anything wrong with them, if they are someone's opinion.

How would you describe the posts saying she needs better undergarments or she shouldn't have been allowed to appear that way? Personal? Insulting? Disrespectful? Over-entitled?

For me, its all of those. The fact that people think its OK to comment on her appearance explains to me what people think of her; that she is a blank canvas that belongs to us and not a real person at all. If you were a respected Head of State on TV would you like a bunch of old women talking about your bra?

Calendargirl Sat 25-Dec-21 19:59:22

I think the Queen has never before spoken so personally in her Christmas address. It seemed very appropriate.

She has certainly lost weight, but many ladies in their 90’s look like that. Regarding her outfit, I know it’s a look she favours, but I think she would look less frail if she didn’t have her dresses showing her neck so much. Perhaps it’s to emphasise her pearls, but I think a more covered up look would be more flattering.

Just my opinion, Angela (note to Queen’s dresser),

Alegrias1 Sat 25-Dec-21 20:03:47

Why don't you pop off a letter in the post to tell her what you think? After all, she's public property.

Republicans like me have to take all the flak on here about being disrespectful, hating the members of the RF and all that jazz. Yet people who consider themselves upholders of the sanctity of the monarchy think its OK to tell somebody how to dress. I don't care if she turns up dressed in a potato sack, as long as she is fulfilling her duties as HoS.

rafichagran Sat 25-Dec-21 20:13:27

I dont like the comments about her bra, not really necessary. I also found Paddyanne's comments Ill timed and nasty.
I watched the Queens Speech and thought she was very thoughtful and respectful of peoples feelings, and the things she said about Phillip were from the heart.
You cannot police posts, but if you make the sort of comments Paddyanne made you can understand people being annoyed.

NanKate Sat 25-Dec-21 21:52:11

What a gal ? She leads by example, is brave, has a good sense of humour. Keep going your Majesty.

Not a squeak from over the pond. Long may it last.

Jaberwok Sat 25-Dec-21 22:02:37

Amen to that NanKate.

lilypollen Sat 25-Dec-21 23:31:36

Like or not she is the monarch of our nation. She's 95 and like many of us has a diverse/diversive family. I'm not royalist or anti monarchy but to criticise this lady for her underwear is unforgiveable. Her comments about her late lamented husband were moving..

Zoejory Sat 25-Dec-21 23:38:37

How very strange to be commenting on her bra.