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Ignore Nicola Sturgeon. She’s just an attention seeker.

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volver Tue 02-Aug-22 09:08:05

So. The person who is likely to be our next Prime Minister told the party faithful at a hustings in Exeter that the best thing to do about Sturgeon is to ignore her. When told by the moderator that NS was democratically elected to her position, Truss said NS is just an attention seeker. Cue lots of excited clapping and cheering.

This is the woman who is meant to be our senior diplomat, who will be in the company of world leaders. NS was elected by 48% (or so) of the electorate of her country, Truss will inherit the job by getting the votes of something like 0.03% of the electorate. Ignore Sturgeon, you’re ignoring half the population of Scotland and telling them that you know better what’s good for them.

It’s the number one story up here but I don’t know how much its being reported in rUK.

Last week I called her a Welsh carrot. (You had to be there wink) But it seems I over estimated her. She’s lost the place, as we say up here.

volver Wed 03-Aug-22 13:28:33

You do surprise me Aveline. What a shame you don't like the place where you live. That must be awful for you.

Just try to ignore it.

Aveline Wed 03-Aug-22 13:37:03

I do like the place I live in. It's just nothing like the place you describe. I like it because I can still remember how things were before the ghastly Nicola and her dodgy band took over. I look forward to a swift return to efficient governance for the good of the country once the nationalist obsession wanes.

volver Wed 03-Aug-22 13:43:27

How have I described it on this thread Aveline?

Nicola and her dodgy band didn't take over. We voted them into power. When I say "We" of course....

Why don't you have a word with the Labour and Tory people you know and exhort them to have some actual policies we could support, other than just "Vote for us, we're not the other guy."

paddyann54 Wed 03-Aug-22 13:47:37

I think views are different even in your part of Scotland Aveline ,I have many friends and some family in and around Edinburgh and they are ALL without exception supporters of Independence and Nicola Sturgeon.
Its very sad that someone born and bred here believes that the english parliament ( For thats what it is and always has been ,with less than 10% of seats Scottish) is better able to run a country they know begger all about and care even less .

I'm heartened by the number of new Scots and unionists
online today saying Truss has lost their Tory vote and Nicola has won their vote for Indy as its clear the Tory clique has no respect for Scotland and considers themselves superior.
Sadly there will always be those brainwashed from birth who believe the myth that England is a superior nation.Even though the evidence through the centuries has proven otherwise .Look at India ,robbed of £45 Trillion during "British " rule while all the time the world was told India was too poor and unable to rule themsleves and thats not forgetting the genocide visited on the people by "Britnat hero" Churchill .He who abandoned Scottish regiments on the beaches of France and said they were of "no great loss"

HousePlantQueen Wed 03-Aug-22 14:52:55

Irrespective of whether one sees NS as a national hero or a pain in the arse as most of my Scottish family do, the fact is that she is a democratically elected leader of a neighbouring nation and as such, should not be simply dismissed by the idiotic Truss. Paddyanne, please stop lumping all English together as Tories, surely your time on GN has shown that this is untrue?

Aspen Wed 03-Aug-22 14:53:40

The Tory party appear to be short on diplomacy. I recall Kavin Williamson suggesting "Russia should go away and shut up", now we hear Miss Truss's remarks about Nicola Sturgeon I await hearing what their advise to President Xi Jinping will be.

Callistemon21 Wed 03-Aug-22 15:12:37

paddyann
A lot of Scots were very prominent in the British Empire, something I have pointed out before with examples and links.

LauraNorderr Wed 03-Aug-22 15:20:37

I am English, I am a Conservative party member (for now), I believe in the Union but hope I’m not a bigot or a tactless airhead. The Union can only work if we treat each other with respect and not slag off the First Minister of each nation.
I do wish that talk of English Tories would not lump us all in to the same vegetable basket.

Fleurpepper Wed 03-Aug-22 15:21:21

Aveline

I do like the place I live in. It's just nothing like the place you describe. I like it because I can still remember how things were before the ghastly Nicola and her dodgy band took over. I look forward to a swift return to efficient governance for the good of the country once the nationalist obsession wanes.

Do you not believe that such comments made by Liz Truss will help this 'nationalist obsession' wane? I imagine it will help confirm that the Conservatives, be it under Johnson, or Truss, do not respect Scotland and those who sail in her?

I have never lived in Scotland, but have many friends there, and none, not a single one, would vote Conservative now.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 03-Aug-22 15:22:45

LauraNorderr

I am English, I am a Conservative party member (for now), I believe in the Union but hope I’m not a bigot or a tactless airhead. The Union can only work if we treat each other with respect and not slag off the First Minister of each nation.
I do wish that talk of English Tories would not lump us all in to the same vegetable basket.

Totally agree LauraNorder well said ???

Casdon Wed 03-Aug-22 15:25:38

Fleurpepper

Aveline

I do like the place I live in. It's just nothing like the place you describe. I like it because I can still remember how things were before the ghastly Nicola and her dodgy band took over. I look forward to a swift return to efficient governance for the good of the country once the nationalist obsession wanes.

Do you not believe that such comments made by Liz Truss will help this 'nationalist obsession' wane? I imagine it will help confirm that the Conservatives, be it under Johnson, or Truss, do not respect Scotland and those who sail in her?

I have never lived in Scotland, but have many friends there, and none, not a single one, would vote Conservative now.

Very good point Fleurpepper. What’s that saying - Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Liz Truss must have been bunking off that truly dreadful school (not) that she went to the day that lesson was taught.

volver Wed 03-Aug-22 15:41:24

Its an established fact that in Scotland, since goodness knows when, there has been an element of the Scottish population that really want to be English. I think it probably started with Queen Margaret who brought the "English" church to Scotland and saw off the Celtic church which was well established there. James the VI and I tootled off to London soon as he could and never came back. After the Union of Parliaments in 1707 there were a cohort of people who considered themselves "North British" first and foremost. There was even a hotel ?

www.capitalcollections.org.uk/view-item?i=8313&WINID=1659537414554

Well some of us have got our confidence back and think that being Scottish is a mighty fine thing, we don't need to be North Anything. Scots doing down their own nation and countrymen makes me very sad.

Bodach Wed 03-Aug-22 15:48:09

paddyann54

I think views are different even in your part of Scotland Aveline ,I have many friends and some family in and around Edinburgh and they are ALL without exception supporters of Independence and Nicola Sturgeon.
Its very sad that someone born and bred here believes that the english parliament ( For thats what it is and always has been ,with less than 10% of seats Scottish) is better able to run a country they know begger all about and care even less .

I'm heartened by the number of new Scots and unionists
online today saying Truss has lost their Tory vote and Nicola has won their vote for Indy as its clear the Tory clique has no respect for Scotland and considers themselves superior.
Sadly there will always be those brainwashed from birth who believe the myth that England is a superior nation.Even though the evidence through the centuries has proven otherwise .Look at India ,robbed of £45 Trillion during "British " rule while all the time the world was told India was too poor and unable to rule themsleves and thats not forgetting the genocide visited on the people by "Britnat hero" Churchill .He who abandoned Scottish regiments on the beaches of France and said they were of "no great loss"

Oh dear, paddyanne54. You really don't like Churchill, don't you? In a previous thread, I have already had to point out the many lies made up by socialists and Scot Nats (and swallowed whole and repeated unquestioned by their gullible fans) about Churchill's role in "sending English Tanks to Kill Scottish Strikers in George Square" . Now you are repeating the myth about Churchill "abandoning Scottish regiments on the beaches of France", and saying they were "of no great value". My uncle - still a teenager - was taken prisoner with 2nd Bn Seaforth Highlanders at St Valery, and never recovered from his years in captivity, so I have a certain amount of "skin in the game". First of all, if any British soldiers of the 51st were "abandoned" at St Valery, they certainly weren't all Scots soldiers. What about the large number of non-Scots in the attached Royal Artillery regiments, Royal Engineer companies, Field Ambulance units, Royal Signals, Royal Army Ordnance Corps, Royal Army Service Corps etc, not to mention the other attached English units from the Kensington Regiment, the Royal Northumberland Fusiliers, and the Norfolk Regiment? They suffered the same fate as their Scots colleagues , but that's of no interest to the Scot Nats grievance narrative, of course. And to blame Churchill for the tragedy of St Valery is simply wrong: it was a case of 'wrong place; wrong time', and it could have been any of the other Divisions in the BEF at the time. To suggest that less effort was put into evacuating them because they were Scots is complete nonsense. And to end up by accusing Churchill of saying they were "no great loss" perfectly illustrates the depths to which Scot Nat false propaganda sinks. These words (actually "no great mischief") were actually written by General Wolfe in 1751, in a letter recommending Highland troops for service in North America: "I should imagine that two or three independent Highland companies might be of use," he wrote. "They are hardy, intrepid, accustomed to a rough country, and no great mischief if they fall." Hardly surprising sentiments, considering that he had fought them only 5 years previously at Culloden (and by the time of his death at the Battle of Quebec 8 years later, he and his Highland troops had huge respect for one another). But the SNP and their adherents never let historical accuracy get in the way of concocting a good anti-English folk tale...
Oh, and by the way, I seem to recall learning at my Highland school about the great Scottish explorers, soldiers, sailors merchants and industrialists who did so much to expand and run the British Empire.

Bodach Wed 03-Aug-22 15:53:13

Sorry, volver. I bow to none in my love for Scotland and my pride in being a Scottish Highlander. But not at the expense of letting blatant falsehoods go un-challenged.

Callistemon21 Wed 03-Aug-22 15:54:13

Oh, and by the way, I seem to recall learning at my Highland school about the great Scottish explorers, soldiers, sailors merchants and industrialists who did so much to expand and run the British Empire

Thanks, Bodach
I begin sometimes to wonder when seeing posts on GN if I dreamt a lot of the history I've read about the great Scots of the past, the places in the then colonies, now Commonwealth countries, named after the Scottish explorers and settlers.

volver Wed 03-Aug-22 15:55:02

No great mischief if they fall.

Don't let La Truss hear that.

And stop thinking that SNP adherents don't know about history. That would be a mistake.

volver Wed 03-Aug-22 15:55:47

Bodach

Sorry, volver. I bow to none in my love for Scotland and my pride in being a Scottish Highlander. But not at the expense of letting blatant falsehoods go un-challenged.

Do you not Bodach?

See my previous post.

Lucca Wed 03-Aug-22 15:57:14

Good to hear you two but when I listened to truss saying what she did and the hideous braying that f the “party faithful” I was appalled. People like you I hope will
Have some influence in trying to make the tory party less intolerant rude and uncaring !

Also I’ve got to say many people who can’t take NS (like my unsainted mother .. my sister in law etc) are snobs . It’s the accent. I kid you not

Lucca Wed 03-Aug-22 15:58:24

Sorry my post was fir granny gravy and Lauranorder

Bodach Wed 03-Aug-22 16:32:51

volver

^No great mischief if they fall.^

Don't let La Truss hear that.

And stop thinking that SNP adherents don't know about history. That would be a mistake.

If "SNP adherents know about history", then why do they let such blatant untruths peddled by their fellows go unchallenged?
(Ach, I'll just let it go: it's rubbish, but it suits the agenda..)

Far better, surely, to keep your own house in order?

Aveline Wed 03-Aug-22 16:33:33

Lucca it's not the accent I 'cant take' re NS it's her record in 'government'!

volver Wed 03-Aug-22 16:57:32

Bodach

volver

No great mischief if they fall.

Don't let La Truss hear that.

And stop thinking that SNP adherents don't know about history. That would be a mistake.

If "SNP adherents know about history", then why do they let such blatant untruths peddled by their fellows go unchallenged?
(Ach, I'll just let it go: it's rubbish, but it suits the agenda..)

Far better, surely, to keep your own house in order?

Here's a thing. If you are tarring everyone with the same brush, it's you that has the problem.

Funnily enough, its not my responsibility to make sure everything on GN is correct. That would be a full time job, wouldn't it?

Aveline Wed 03-Aug-22 17:36:10

No volver it's not your responsibility but I wish some people would do some fact checking before posting.

volver Wed 03-Aug-22 17:41:42

Can you tell Bodach please? ?

tickingbird Wed 03-Aug-22 18:17:46

Funnily enough, its not my responsibility to make sure everything on GN is correct. That would be a full time job, wouldn't it?

You’ve made much of researching, providing links and correcting posts which aren’t factual on numerous threads. No it’s not your responsibility, you give of your time generously and it’s not like you to baulk at a spot of fact checking smile