The Brexit Effect

Fleurpepper

Fleurpepper

Caleo

I Am 64, everyone who reads a newspaper knows the NHS has benefitted since Brexit , as promised . There is now a sufficiency of well paid nurses and doctors.

Where on earth did you read this? And how on earth did you actually believe it?

It is hard to fathom really.

Is the above really your answer to the question after your initial post?
You must be a politician yourself- great tactic!

I begin to suspect that someone's tongue is firmly in their cheek..

MaizieD I hope you’re correct and we have irony in our midst.

I posted recently that the lovely mr i has died. I don’t want to go into detail but our experience over the 8 days following men dialling 999 to him dying surrounded by me and our children, absolutely demonstrated the pressures our nhs functions under.

Total bliddy lies on the side of that bus

As I don't venture far from this forum I didn't know that, Iam64

So sorry to hear it. My condolences

DaisyAnne

Katie59

DaisyAnne

Was the EEA mentioned Katie59. I missed that.

The European Economic Area is the Customs Union or formerly European Free Trade Area

I know what it is Katie. I just wondered where it was mentioned previously as you seemed to be referring back.

Everyone was refering to the “Customs Union”, it’s not just customs or cross border trade, it’s regulations and standards policed by the EU - us obeying their rules, without any input or vote.

Everyone was refering to the “Customs Union”, it’s not just customs or cross border trade, it’s regulations and standards policed by the EU - us obeying their rules, without any input or vote.

Don't you understand, Katie59, that anyone wanting to trade with the EU has to ensure that their goods comply with EU standards and regulations? Why are you making it sound as though UK businesses can now sell any old unregulated rubbish into the EU and that would have to stop if we joined the CU?

This applies to any trade agreement that the UK might make with any country in the world. A point which seems never to have penetrated the brains of many Leave voters.

The point of being in a Customs Union with the EU is that it reduces the amount of paper work and physical border checks which add cost and slow down the flow of goods. It removes barriers to trade...

It's total rubbish to suggest the UK had no say in rules made by the EU. Setting aside the co-decision arrangements with the EU Parliament (which is largely a talking shop with few powers) all rules were and are made by the EU Council of Ministers attended by the UK Prime Minister or other Minister as appropriate to the policy area in question. It was very rare for the UK to be in a minority when decisions were made because of the agreements made in advance with other nations and the voting system which reflects population sizes. Of course, UK Ministers of all Parties would blame the EU later for decisions they had voted for but knew to be politically unpopular back home. And the implementation of EU rules into UK law was a matter for the UK government and Parliament, not the EU, so there was scope to tailor the law to UK circumstances. I speak from direct experience.

MaizieD

^Everyone was refering to the “Customs Union”, it’s not just customs or cross border trade, it’s regulations and standards policed by the EU - us obeying their rules, without any input or vote.^

Don't you understand, Katie59, that anyone wanting to trade with the EU has to ensure that their goods comply with EU standards and regulations? Why are you making it sound as though UK businesses can now sell any old unregulated rubbish into the EU and that would have to stop if we joined the CU?

This applies to any trade agreement that the UK might make with any country in the world. A point which seems never to have penetrated the brains of many Leave voters.

The point of being in a Customs Union with the EU is that it reduces the amount of paper work and physical border checks which add cost and slow down the flow of goods. It removes barriers to trade...

You don’t understand Maizie (or perhaps you do) the extra paperwork is because the EU no longer have a part on the regulation process, we make our own rules and “could” be doing anything

You don’t understand Maizie (or perhaps you do) the extra paperwork is because the EU no longer have a part on the regulation process, we make our own rules and “could” be doing anything

The extra paperwork is because everything that is exported to the EU has to be accompanied by a customs declaration and it all has to be checked at the EU border. It is a result of becoming a third country. Joining the customs union would do away with much of that.

Everything sold into the EU has to conform to their standards and regulations.
This is the norm for any trade deal with any country. What is so hard to understand in this?

Repeating the 'we make our own rules' mantra doesn't alter anything when it comes to exporting from the UK.

Being in a Customs Union with the EU imposes restrictions on trade with other countries. Turkey is the only significant non EU nation, as a candidate EU member which has not progressed.
The EU will be very careful before granting UK entry into just the Customs Union it is far more in our interest than theirs, the Swiss have been bending the customs rules for many years and they don’t want the UK doing the same.

Katie59

Being in a Customs Union with the EU imposes restrictions on trade with other countries. Turkey is the only significant non EU nation, as a candidate EU member which has not progressed.
The EU will be very careful before granting UK entry into just the Customs Union it is far more in our interest than theirs, the Swiss have been bending the customs rules for many years and they don’t want the UK doing the same.

You are confusing membership of the EU and a non-member joining the CU.

Joining the CU merely means that businesses will save thousands a year both of bureaucratic time and money.

That is all.

Joining the Customs Union would be a good move to reduce paperwork for UK businesses but can have downsides in respect of trading with countries not in the CU. Of course, there would be conditions to be negotiated. None of this would be necessary if the UK had not shot itself in the foot by leaving the EU. Thank you, Brexiteers and Johnson and the Tory lunatic fringe.

It seems to have been agreed by commentators that there has been something of an embargo on mentioning Brexit on much of the mainstream media over the last six years. It looks to be on the way to being breached lately.

I think this analysis by Ros Atkyns for the BBC is a strong indicator of the trend to more openness about the damage it has caused.

You can watch it via his tweet or go to the full edition of 'On the Week'

This week, Rishi Sunak talked of building 'an economy that embraces the opportunities of Brexit'. Here's 5 mins on Brexit's impact on the economy so far. Produced by Mary Fuller and Nicholas Barrett. You can watch the full edition of 'On the Week' here:
bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001djzz/ros-atkins-on-the-week-series-1-2-the-new-prime-ministers-challenges

twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1585894753023000577

Interesting podcast with Emily Maitless and John Soper about Brexit this week. They had the Head of CBI and a EU bod on.

I think it is inevitable that we will move closer to Europe.

That should be

Maitlis

Whitewavemark2

Katie59

Being in a Customs Union with the EU imposes restrictions on trade with other countries. Turkey is the only significant non EU nation, as a candidate EU member which has not progressed.
The EU will be very careful before granting UK entry into just the Customs Union it is far more in our interest than theirs, the Swiss have been bending the customs rules for many years and they don’t want the UK doing the same.

You are confusing membership of the EU and a non-member joining the CU.

Joining the CU merely means that businesses will save thousands a year both of bureaucratic time and money.

That is all.

No, it does restrict the deals you can do with third countries which is why Turkey is not happy, no EU entry and restricted trade deals.

I wonder how long it will take for the leavers to admit they were wrong?

I'm not holding my breath.

Which countries would you say that we could be doing trade deals with, Katie59?. Deals good enough to replace the trade we have lost with the EU?

We don't seem to have been terribly successful at it so far.

The whole trade issue is a mess, the aim of Brexit was to cherry pick EU deals and free up better deals with third countries. The former failed, Covid and Ukraine has prevented any significant progress on the latter.

I simply believe that the EU does not trust this government one millimeter, let’s face it they have enough problems of their own, to spend much thought over ours of our own making.

Truss had a vision to get us out of the hole we have dug for ourselves, then made a total mess of presenting it, Sunak’s appointment has stabilized politics but the hole is still there. Although Starmer is calling for a GE he knows there won’t be one, whoever is in power is going to make little if any progress until normal trading conditions return.

I see that the BBC is finally recognising the disastrous economic issues with Brexit.

Ross Atkins

“Based on available evidence, Brexit, in its current form, is one of the things constraining the growth of the UK's economy. Here's 5 mins on how we reached that conclusion. Watch the full edition of 'On the Week' on @BBCiPlayer here: bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001djzz/ros-atkins-on-the-week-series-1-the-new-prime-ministers-challenges

Caleo

Fleurpepper, it's common knowledge these clever men and women in government know what to do to for the benefit of the old Country and its citizens.
I look forward to your rebuttal.

Is that and your other posts tongue in cheek ?

Truss had a vision to get us out of the hole we have dug for ourselves,

What was her 'vision' and how was it going to work, Katie59?

Can you explain it in detail?

The vision was headlong growth that’s clear, would it have worked in 2 yrs ? lMO highly doubtful. Will Sunak’s plan (when it’s revealed) bring a better result ? Maybe maybe not.
He has surrounded himself with hardliners so I’m not expecting it to be an easy time.

Katie59

Whitewavemark2

Katie59

Being in a Customs Union with the EU imposes restrictions on trade with other countries. Turkey is the only significant non EU nation, as a candidate EU member which has not progressed.
The EU will be very careful before granting UK entry into just the Customs Union it is far more in our interest than theirs, the Swiss have been bending the customs rules for many years and they don’t want the UK doing the same.

You are confusing membership of the EU and a non-member joining the CU.

Joining the CU merely means that businesses will save thousands a year both of bureaucratic time and money.

That is all.

No, it does restrict the deals you can do with third countries which is why Turkey is not happy, no EU entry and restricted trade deals.

But I thought the leave campaign said that Turkey were about to join the EU? Surely they weren’t lying?

Katie59

The vision was headlong growth that’s clear, would it have worked in 2 yrs ? lMO highly doubtful. Will Sunak’s plan (when it’s revealed) bring a better result ? Maybe maybe not.
He has surrounded himself with hardliners so I’m not expecting it to be an easy time.

You haven't really explained how this 'headlong growth' was going to happen.

If the government actually wanted to grow our economy it would direct money towards poor folk who would spend that money in their local communities and not buy a new super-yacht or apartment in Monaco.